Re: Archbishop Niederauer and Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence

A response by one member of Most Holy Redeemer to those who would be critical of our inclusive Roman Catholic parish and our ministry.

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[brycejacksoncvt]

@AnbaKyrillos Fair enough . For the record though , after two years of this I am retiring from religious and theological debate to focus on work , college (and seminary ) , and to get away from all these pointless debates that I have come to realize do not pertain to me or effect me as Im not a homosexual . Anyway, peace be with you and have your pets spayed or neutered lol .

[AnbaKyrillos]

@brycejacksoncvt - I think you do get it: the way that love can be authenticated as imagining Christ's is when it is both fruitful and vowed. The conjugal act, when it occurs betweenn those who are heterosexual and not married or those who engage in homosexual acts, is not vowed. There can be fruitfulness in premarital sex, but it is in total inaccord with authentic love. Homosexual acts are intrinsically evil; the two are admittedly both evils but they are not in the same ballpark.

[brycejacksoncvt]

@AnbaKyrillos - so then you have never had pre-marital sex then have you ... as you wouldnt wanna be in mortal sin yourself ... right?

[Galadraal]

This is a beautiful video, well done. Greatest responce I've seen on youtube to a hateful video!

[wwcdmeister]

"the Churhc ministers to all...should be." Agreed. These two men clearly reject the teachings of this ministry and are advertising that they are not in communion with that ministry. Enough to receive only a blessing and to deny communion. Please learn more about true and false statements. Then research Catholicism. It's all about love! "The truth w/o love is a deceptive lie. Love without truth is counterfiet love." JPII

[monktogod]

Wrong!.Yes,Jesus say that he came to earth to save all sinners but at same time he say that sinners NEED TO CHANGE THEY SINNERS LIFE AND BECOME SAINTS.I belief that was wrong gave holy communion to those fake nuns that everybody knows are PUBLIC SINNERS.LOVE THE SINNER BUT HATE THE SIN!Pax

[AnbaKyrillos]

'MHR is an inclusive Catholic community -- embracing all people of good faith --...-- regardless of their background, gender, race, social status or sexual orientation.' DO minister to active homosexuals by preaching the Truth in harmony with the CCC & Bible, all the while being there when they do fall. Accepting individuals is not the same as accepting their orientation. I'm done posting here but feel free to PM me if you'd wish to discuss the CCC, its teachings, and how it relates @ MHR.

[AnbaKyrillos]

All baptized are called to chastity (CCC 2348). 'Sexuality...becomes personal and truly human when it is integrated into the relationship of one person to another, in the complete and lifelong mutual gift of a man and a woman (CCC 2337). dfn. Sexual orientation: interest in the other, same, or both sexes. A homosexual person's orientation can only be seen as acceptable in Church teaching when they refrain from 'interest' in their own sex in a way isolated from its unitive purposes (CCC 2351).

[hugh164]

The chief representative of the Church in a particular local is the Ordinary. In the case of San Francisco the Ordinary is the Archbishop. The Archbishop represents the church here so it follows that the Church did not in this instance place a limit on these two Catholic homosexual men on receiving Holy Communion. -- The Church ministers to all and that is the way it should be.

[hugh164]

Oh yes, AnbaKyrillos you are in error. Your understanding of "orientation" is both scientifically incorrect and misunderstanding Catholic teaching. Chastity is not an orientation and orientations are not chosen.

This is why the Catholic Church teaches that sexual orientation itself is not sinful. MHR exists in the heart of the Gay Community and it is appropriate for MHR to focus on ministry to the gay community.