Islam or Secular Humanism - Which Makes More Sense?

Discussion between Br. Hamza Tzortzis and Dr. Khalid Sohail at the University of Western Ontario

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[majnu100]

The sound quality is really poor, v hard to make out some points raised especially during q&A

[Pratibhinbh]

What is this sohail guy babbling anyways? I was expecting an intellectual argument. All he had to tell were just his sad life stories. Such a disappointment. This is typical of disbelievers when they know they do not have any ground to stand on.

[an831]

i love your brain Mr Tzortzis

[hasancoool]

jazakAllah khair for the great discussion!

[carlosqify]

look how that stupid brought personal things in q&a which has nothing to do with debate. ,,, hamza answered well,

mashallah

[khalilrabee]

as usual koffar dont make sense...they tell personal life experience and apply thata universal.."this happend to me, and the mullah said that..."...tell us wht islam says about a thing hipocrit! pakistan, afghanistan, saudi arabia...he tries to asociate islam to the constitutions of these states WHICH RE RULED BY SECULAR REGIMES...

also speaks about jihad...yes we do jihad and we will do jihad and jihad isnt fighting for oil or simply to kill a race...as secular regimes do

[khalilrabee]

i dont believe that there are ex-muslims...i think there are ppl who act like muslims for a while and then they reveal themselves as not muslims...which means they never were muslims...but allah knows best...i simply cant comprehend how a person can ever be "ex-muslim"...either u believe or do not believe...u dont do us a favour but urself...

[ITheProfessorI]

Continued:

As for thunderfoot, for every video he has made, there is a video refuting him so I wouldn't really rely on him either.

I look at it like this, if someone wants to make a case for or against something ( like these 2 in the debate do ) they should ( in my opinion ) study all aspects of what they are discussing, not just one side ( like harris and others do )

Play devils advocate, then play the side you are on then draw your conclusion, soundly.

That's what, for example, Hamza does

[ITheProfessorI]

@mattattack007

Personally, i love these types of discussions. They almost always open the mind to other ways of thinking ( as oppose to Muslim Vs. Christian debates )

I don't personally think you watched this discussion, you should.

Harris almost always looks to point out things in Islam but he takes the role that others do, taking verses out of context, never looking at the back story of anything.

Dawkins & Hitchens are ok but are a little too arrogant for me personally.

[mattattack007]

Secular Humanism makes more sense. Watch any Sam Harris, Richard Dawkins, or Christopher Hitchens and find out why. Also, thunderfoot (youtuber) has a lot of good videos to watch. Interesting discussion though, I'll have to watch more later.