Christians AGAINST the Heresy of Calvinism & TULIP
http://www.facebook.com/groups/252048232071/
From 1541 to 1546, John Calvin caused 58 people to be executed and seventy six were exiled. His victims ranged in age from 16 to 80. The most common capital offense was the opposition to infant baptism. Today, baptism only for accountable believers, is a Baptist distinctive. In Calvin's time it was punished either by drowning, a drawn out and slow burning at the stake, or beheading. All this was done in public, with city residents compelled to watch the butchery. The executions were spaced out so as to exert a continuing policy of fear and terror. Others were killed for advocating local church autonomy; opposing the tie-in of church and state: and preaching that Christ died for all sinners (unlimited atonement). Press censorship continued in Geneva until the eighteenth century.
TULIP DEBATE:
http://www.facebook.com/groups/TULIPDEBATE/
(http://bible.cc/matthew/7-15.htm)
"Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. 16 You shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? 17 Even so every good tree brings forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree brings forth evil fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 19 Every tree that brings not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them."
(http://bible.cc/2_corinthians/11-14.htm)
"And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works."
"...He that wins souls is wise..."
http://bible.cc/proverbs/11-30.htm
John Calvin said (All of these quotations are taken from his "institutes" (cult hand-book):
http://www.gospeltruth.net/John_said.htm
Analysis of Romans 9 and Calvinistic Arguments:
http://www.insearchoftruth.org/articles/romans_9.html
Calvinism:
http://latter-rain.com/ltrain/calism.htm
Predestination, Foreknowledge, and Election:
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Basics/predestination.htm
Heresies Of Calvinism:
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Doctrines/heresies_of_calvinism.htm
The Calvinism Debate:
http://www.wayoflife.org/files/category-calvinism.html
John Calvin Exposed:
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Doctrines/Calvinism/john_calvin_expose...
Calvinism False Doctrines:
http://www.biblelife.org/calvinism.htm
Unconditional Election is false:
http://home.stsbb.com/jonbro/unconditional%20election.html
The Protestant Reformers Were Frauds:
http://www.sullivan-county.com/identity/reformers.htm
What a Mess!
Calvinism... Arminianism... Hyper-Calvinism?
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Doctrines/Calvinism/what_a_mess.htm
Calvinism/Arminianism are cults:
http://www.whatisacult.com/calvinism.html
http://www.whatisacult.com/arminianism.html
John Calvin EXPOSED!
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Doctrines/Calvinism/john_calvin_expose...
Arminius EXPOSED!
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Doctrines/Arminianism/arminianism.htm
JOHN CALVIN: FALSE TEACHER
http://www.thepathoftruth.com/falseteachers/index.htm#calvin
Calvinism Vs. Arminianism - Which view is correct?
http://www.gotquestions.org/Calvinism-vs-Arminianism.html
http://www.jesussaidfollowme.org/calvinismarminianism.htm
Predestination vs. Calvinism:
http://www.bibletruths.org/cults/predestination.htm
Free will vs Predestination:
http://www.freewill-predestination.com/freewill.html
What is "Election" and "Predestination?"
http://www.biblehelp.org/elect.htm
Calvinism Refuted:
http://www.biblebelievers.net/Calvinism/kjcalvnr.htm
Not Chosen To Salvation:
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/BTP/Dr_Max_Younce/Salvation/toc.htm
Does God Pre-Destine Some People To Hell?
http://www.lasthour.com/Calvinism.htm
Gods Foreknowledge:
http://www.biblehelp.org/fore.htm
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Calvinism Debate - "I" and "P" of TULIP - Part 4by RefutingCalvinism1,122 views
@Bill244888
"doctrines are not deeds"
That's great, except I don't take dictionary definitions if biblical ones are available.
Different versions interwove those two words, that's why I said it... because the doctrines of the Gnostics led to bad deeds.
"1 Tim 6:3 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;"
Jesus' words apply to doctrine, which are to godliness
droptozro 1 day ago
@droptozro
doc·trine [dok-trin]
noun
1. a particular principle, position, or policy taught or advocated, as of a religion or government: Catholic doctrines; the Monroe Doctrine.
2. something that is taught; teachings collectively: religious doctrine.
1 Tim. 4:6
"If you put these things before the brothers, you will be a good servant of Christ Jesus, being trained in the words of the faith and of the good doctrine that you have followed."
doctrines are not deeds
Bill244888 1 day ago
@fun001us
Jesus said He hated the doctrine(deeds) of the Nicolaitans... so it's not a far stretch to hate the doctrines of Calvinism. I love Calvinist, but hate Calvinism.
Not sure what you meant by Calvin, Luther, Edwards comment...
but there's not much doubt in my mind Calvin will not be in the kingdom of God, I mean--I HOPE he is, and he repented--but as a false teacher and unrepentant murderer until death--I doubt it. And Luther defended his adding words to the Scriptures, yikes!
droptozro 6 days ago
Btw, I don't care what "your personally think or believe". Calvin, Luther, Edwards and host of others who hold this view had gone into the Holy of Holy more than you and me have.
fun001us 1 week ago
Full of BS that I dont care to comment on it.
fun001us 1 week ago
@Bill244888
I implore you as a brother to see how if one rips out Rom 9:6-22 out of its context of the book---it changes the entire meaning of the argument Paul is making. It doesn't surprise me how one could be fooled by this chapter, but once you take the time to study the depth of Paul's argument and see how Scripture interprets Scripture---the Calvinist interpretation breaks down radically. Please take the time to look up what I ask and look up other things Paul quotes from the OT.
droptozro 2 weeks ago
@Bill244888
Sorry, Romans 11 also continues the same argument to answer your first question. The second question I missed, yes a people is made up of persons. The difference also in God having chosen a nation is the purpose, for it was not for eternal salvation--even Gentiles sought after God(as shown by Rom 10-11). The point Paul is making in Rom 9 is that the Jews have no right to question God's opening up of the covenant to include Gentiles as His people. Each verse can prove this.
droptozro 2 weeks ago
@Bill244888
"Why is it acceptable that God could have a chosen people, but not a chosen persons?..."Eph 1:3-6"
Glad you brought that up, compare Eph 1:3-12 with Rom 9:1-5... see how they align? I can show more verses to prove this if you're not convinced, but Eph 1:3-12 is speaking of the Jews(first to trust in Christ, v.12), then v.13-14 speaks of the Gentiles being added into the inheritance.
The point of God choosing the nation was to bring about the Messiah, and to make His name great.
droptozro 2 weeks ago
@Bill244888 ...how they were to inherit the land(Gal 3-4 explains this well, aligning with Acts 15). Go and read Gen 13:15--then see the footnote in your Bible, this is what Paul corrects in Gal 3:16. They questioned His justice because they thought that covenant was for physical national Israel, but the fact is that it was not. It was for Abraham and Jesus. Paul revealed the mystery of the Gospel(as you bring up Ephesians, see chap 3)--the unification of both into one covenant and Man, Jesus
droptozro 2 weeks ago
@Bill244888
"God's sovereign choice of..gentiles(?) caused the nation of Israel to question His justice?"
Yes, this was prophesied and even quoted by Paul in Romans 10 to continue his argument. I would presume you're aware there were not chapters in Paul's original letter--his argument continues, and it clearly reveals what I'm saying. I told you, we can go into each single verse from Rom 9 that is quoted from the OT and prove that yes--the nation of Israel was upset(and misunderstood)...
droptozro 2 weeks ago