Agnosticism

Much discussion at the moment concerning the label of 'agnosticism'. I have sought not to particularly critique anyone elses position on this lest I misrepresent them; much better then to simply outline my own position.
The video is in sections (each one more boring than the last, lol):
Sect 1) The genuine issue of concern 1:36
Sect 2) Comments of the way we define such words 3:23
Sect 3) My thoughts on the usage of the term 6:24
Sect 4: An interesting idea of an experiment 13:33
A blooper 15:26

Category:

Education

Tags:

• atheism
• theism
• religion
• agnostic
• gnostic
• linguistics
• language
• label

[kts68]

Agnosticism (n.): the belief that lots of evidence for A and absolutely no evidence for B makes them both equally likely.

[deadshot1995]

As an agnostic atheist, I don't reject the concept of an intelligent power behind this universe. It is a possibility. You could say that I don't deny God, just the man-made versions of it.

[stevepalmerssolid]

I am glad someone has highlighted, non linear thinking. Linear thinking seems to part of our daily communication.  The deeper thinkers can upset the black or white thinkers very easily. I got attacked very heavily by a youtube bigot because I introduced, confident, non straight line thinking as room for further discussion. They get angry.

[VyckRo]

I personally believe, that atheist are try to include everything under the umbrella of atheism, Verificationism, skepticism, Verificationism and so on.

[OccamKant]

Your "headsist/tailsist" example is faulty, I think, because the proposition isn't "god/no god" but instead, "god(x)/not god(x)".

A more apt example would be car buyers. There are people who buy a car, and there are people who do not have a car. They may not have a car because they want to be "green", or they may not have a car because they haven't heard a convincing sales pitch yet.

The people with cars are theists, and the people without cars are atheists - not saying WHY they are without.

[destituteneedsjob]

Agnosticism is too sophisticated for new atheists to understand. It takes what it means to know something seriously enough to think about it instead of just making believe, like atheists do.

Atheists are defining themselves as a fundamentalist religion. It's time for us to treat them like that is what they are.

[steverock85]

@kts68

True agnostic will say he is agnostic about what is outside of this box. That does not mean fear of any god as it is ambiguous what the real truth is.

I will argue with theist any day, at any time, with same passion as atheist do. But when I argue, I do it on their own term.

I have had good results in arguing with theist as they can not use the ambiguous card on me. I simply show them if god exist, then he would find reson to write our morals within us instead of any book. Simple.

[steverock85]

@kts68

For true agnostic person, that is a person that is not atheist in fear, it is not such.

It is rather that they see the world as box. We can explore this box with sciencentific methods and make predictions with math. But instead of getting rid of this box with our tools of observation, it grows. If you dig deep enough you start to see this.

While no longer being able to trust in coinsidence, you start to think who you are instead of how and why as that leads no where.

[steverock85]

The more I debate with atheist on why I call myself agnostic it is getting rather clear it is because theist>atheist in usa.

Where I come from it is theist<atheist.

Maybe I should back of a little but there are those who remain agnostic not because of fear, but because they can not see themslef as atheist.

I am a former atheist but I turned to agnostic basicly because I got caught in this paradox of always being able to ask why and how.

I am rather strong in my agnostic belief if I may.

[gedgetips]

I identify as an atheist since I don't accept the authoritarian god concept & have never been a member of any religion, other than Buddhism which doesn't really seem to count much, or maybe it does. I self-identify as an agnostic since I don't hear any clear definition of god concerning which I would have sufficient knowledge to decide much about, while I remain open to other dimensions to reality & shit. Yet, I would rarely call myself agnostic due to the weenie factor aspect. Gd vid, BTW.

[xxViolentGamerxx]

@Gorilla199