Consequentialism: A Broad Perspective Part II

I'm really sorry but this ran very long so bear with me. Lotta stuff here.

WayoftheBastard's video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dj-jBMdRnk0

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[Theologica37]

This must have been the video you were referring to.

I'm not sure how I missed this.

These videos seem not to defend consequentialism, but rather a psuedo-determinism.

I must say, you were a couple of statements away from a video response; I feel you were very incorrect with your statements of Virtue Ethics as a whole. The differences between Utility and Virtue frameworks, in regard to moral discernment, cannot be understated.

Remember, Rule Utility still presupposes the PP as basic.

[HonestDiscussioner]

PP = pleasure principal I assume?

Not necessarily. While I'd say it is an important part in my view, it isn't necessary. Some might not find any utility in pleasure, but only in knowledge.

Perhaps you didn't see the first part, but I argue that the virtue of a person HAS consequences, thereby consequentialism framework includes the important aspects of virtue ethics with no need of free will. This is my version of consequentialism, it isn't held by all consequentialists\utilitarians of course

[trick0171]

Close enough :)

[WolfSyndrome]

I think I get it now...

Determinism says: genetics + environment = election B

Free will says: genetics + environment + ?? = choice A, B, or C

Am I right?

[gambleor]

the factors which sway the decision of whether one would do that which he freely wills or, due to circumstances beyond his power, succumb to his capabilities and do that which is against his will.

[HonestDiscussioner]

What would cause the desire to be unfruitful then?

[HonestDiscussioner]

I had infinite possibilities, but what I would think would be the best way to do it, I had no choice in. Something came to my mind, I didn't choose for it to come to my mind.

[HonestDiscussioner]

Yea, what trick said. If I can at one moment only come to one conclusion, and there was no way that my brain would choose something else, then it was never really a choice.

[trick0171]

Heya Wolf, how goes it?

There is a huge difference between "electing an option (picking)", and "choosing between more than one viable option". A computer program can elect from options A, B, and C, but what determines the election is the coding of the software. In other words, it is not "choosing" as there is only one path it can take (for example, electing B).

[WolfSyndrome]

okay...this whole freewill vs. determinism debate makes no sense whatsoever...

freewill = choose what you believe exists? (referring to the horse example)

determinism = pick from a set of responses that is most reasonable to you?

Picking and choosing are the same thing...so if in determinism you have the ability to "pick" then how is that any different from the ability to "choose"? Also, people CAN choose (or pick) irrational beliefs......so WTF!??