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From October 19th through October 31st, we are calling on Federal employees and military personnel to take the GreenGov Challenge -- an online participatory program that challenges Federal employees and military personnel to take part in the Presidents Executive Order on Federal Sustainability by submitting their own clean energy ideas and voting on others. In November, some of the best ideas will be presented to the Steering Committee on Federal Sustainability a group comprised of a senior official from each agency who is responsible for delivering each agencys sustainability plan. October 19, 2009. (Public Domain)

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[bensnyd]

Put solar panels back on the White House roof.!

[amritsareen]

Will be interesting to see what real ideas people have.

[82abnoff]

You are a fat fuck. Those women around you are fat.

The men are fat.

For 5 Centuries, you have no breeding.

R

[bluefootedpig]

@advanced21 Trying to solve it with more spending? I could have missed it, but from my understanding, government spending has increased more than government cuts. In fact I see more taxes being passed.

[advanced21]

He didn't make the deficit happen, he is trying to solve it. So in A way, he is like the therapist/psychiatrist for the parents with A really bad saving habit.

[travel1949]

why don't you talk to CHINA and INDIA and ALL the others about this DUMB idea on gree house gasses

[bluefootedpig]

The problem is that we face today is that government is putitng in more and more government intervention. The medical field hasn't had free capitalism in over 30 years, and today we all complain about it. Yet fields untouched by government are some of the hardest self regulated industries.

As far as no longer make it, it was litteraly food on the table. On family calucated that 1/3 of their income came from the child.

Don't get me wrong, I value education.

[pgunn01]

The labour movements and unions used change in the laws as one of their tools to force the system to change. Government is not an abstract force - it's a key battleground for various interests in society. Very little originates in government without a base elsewhere in society.

What do you mean by "no longer make it"? A drop in socioeconomic status? Starvation? Poverty? Need outside help? (not arguing here, genuinely curious) I hold we stil count it as failure b/c it's a "race to the bottom".

[bluefootedpig]

Yes, but as you said those were labour movements. That was unions fixing it. That was people standing up and finally bonding together to demand better wages. The government didn't do much to resolve that.

I actually did my senior grad paper on child labour. The removal of child labour actually ends up hurting many families as at that time in history, many families actually depended on that income. Removing that income caused many to no longer make it.

[pgunn01]

There are many examples of areas where we've needed state intervention in markets, and lassiez-faire is a relative term (only the presence of a state permits modern markets to exist). However, consider the 18th century and before - child labour, 12 hour workdays, no safety standards, etc. The social cost was incredible - before the labour modement and safety laws, there was much more suffering and a much lower quality of living.

[bluefootedpig]

if we are suppose to be the world leader (leader being someone who leads by example), then what are we telling people when our government goes trillions in debt? what example is that setting?

Last I checked, if your parents have really bad saving habits, then your children will too. So really, what message is he sending?

[bluefootedpig]

when did lassiez-faire fail? and what horrible results?