The Art of Pwnage: Elisha and the Bears, A Final Read Part 3 of 5

In this, the third segment of my series examining JPHolding's apologetic response regarding the story of Elisha and the Bears from 2 Kings, we will look at Holding's attempt to hide behind the "honor/shame" nature of ancient Israelite society, the number 42 as it relates to the number of boys in the Elisha story and the phrase "go on up".

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[Nilsy1975]

The more I learn about Christian apologetics, the worse those apologists appear to be!

[brettppalmer]

@Nilsy1975 PERFECT!!! That is exactly the point of a series like this. The text as translated by professional scholars is plain. It doesn't, in and of itself, require explanation. But, because the morality on display is so repugnant, and the disharmony it displays regarding the god of the OT as opposed to the NT, apologists feel called upon by demands of their audience to rewrite the tale. In so doing, they wind up in more trouble. They make it worse, not better.

[sporkincarnate]

@Joerexia 42 is clearly an indication that the Old Testament is supportive of the historical truth of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.

[TruthSurge]

good vid.

[TruthSurge]

And does anyone really believe that 42 (or more) boys/youths with rocks and bats would just let Elisha (1 man) walk by unharmed merely yelling "Go up, baldhead!" ???

The story is clearly painted as if it was just a large group of roudy kids who were laughing at his baldness as kids always are doing. The looking back part, the fact that he wasn't planning to go to that city in particular, all of this TURKEL has to ignore and paint his own fantasy narrative. Turkel is an e-begging leech.

[TruthSurge]

James Patrick Holding (real name: Robert Turkel) is a piece of shit. I'm TruthSurge and I approve of this comment.

[alachabre]

Why 42? Well, of course we all know the answer to that one.

[Sines314]

@sporkincarnate It shows biblical foreknowledge!

Seriously, that makes as much sense as most apologetics. At least this one directs you to a much better book.

[RyuDarragh]

@HorrorIllogium: Considering the bears of the region are fairly small (smaller than the North American Common Bear), only kids of 6 or 8 years would have been in any real danger.

[HorrorIllogium]

42 people armed with cudgels and rocks would maul the living hell out of two she bears.

[odiewan58]

@ brettppalmer..Great video and timely too. I was just "discussing" this very story with my mother (fundie Christian) who told me the "children" were really demons sent by Satan to harass his holy baldness. I got tired of "discussing"....So I sent her this video......Mom is praying for my soul. Anyway, great work....Again.

[ZephZhang]

I'm impressed by the clarity and perspicacity of the thinking in this video. Either you're a very clear thinker, or completely anal obsessive-compulsive to catch some of the detail. Either way, you've caused me to fire off a couple neurons or so. Thanks.