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[XPLANEFSX]

we helping britain, but britain piss on us in WWII

[Daveparts1]

The Poles were awesome, they took no prisoners

[archer49d]

@lsnows That sense of self and direction only serves to further divide people... ie. "I won't interact with you and demand compensation from you because somebody I don't know who was distantly related to me, and now dead, was once disenfranchised by somebody who is distantly related to you, but also dead". On the other hand the political rifts create by the political decisions of the Allies (Division of Germany, Iron Curtain, etc. etc.) caused "suffering" on a worldwide scale for decades.

[archer49d]

@lsnows They mention that more than a few times.

[lsnows]

@archer49d Again sir, I disagree. It is important to know who suffers and how much in as much as it is important to know one's own past. To know one's own past gives a people a sense of self, and a direction. Looking at the past and seeing what worked and what didn't work is critical for a people's destiny. As for other lessons largely being forgotten, I ask you, 1. what lessons and 2. by whom do you say they were forgotten?

[archer49d]

@lsnows The measurement of "who suffered and how much" leads directly to "victimization one-upmanship", this measurement is also largely irrelevant as that entire generation has passed on, unless Nazism is passed on genetically the point of who suffered is largely moot. The other important lessons which can be extracted from the war are largely forgotten (broken promises to the Poles, Eisenhower's blunder of not pushing to Berlin, Soviet tyranny etc.) due to political and cultural pressures.

[lsnows]

@archer49d With all due respect to your person, I disagree with you. It's important to know who suffered and how much. What I think you are repudiating (and I might agree with you on this) is that peoples (Jews, Serbs, Poles, Russians, etc.) engage in victimization one-upmanship for self-serving historical memory. Would you please clarify what you mean, sir?

[archer49d]

@lsnows Opposition is not always by force, if you weren't with Hitler you were against him, so by no means was I attempting to imply that those who didn't do anything were not suffering.

That being said, I do find it interesting that a thousand could be marched to their deaths by a dozen, without a bit of resistance.

My main point was that instead of dwelling on which ethnic minority lost the most individuals it should be on heinous the acts of the Nazis in fact were.

[lsnows]

@archer49d The implication of your argument is that the suffering of people who didn't oppose hitler (many times because they hadn't the means) doesn't matter, a proposition that I reject. I agree with you that one should be aware of how heroically people fought the Nazis, not just who was victimized or how much. That said, I remind you that 4 in 5 German soldiers killed in the war died in the East front.

I welcome discussion, but if you want to continue with me don't use words like 'moronic.'

[archer49d]

@lsnows I like you're comparison... 2.8 million vs. 6 million vs. whatever other amounts of millions. Oh wait, said that wrong, your comparison is moronic. hitler and all of his followers in the 3rd reich were (some still are) pure evil. Instead of arguing over who got the worse end of the deal people should be more aware of how they fought the nazis. Anyone (or group) who opposed hitler who uses WWII as an opportunity to pose as more of a victim than the next person (or group) is clueless.