British Conservatives Leader David Cameron - Nov 2009
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Why do not ask for a vote of Sussex to stay in the UK? Since the case Flaminio Costa v E.N.E.L. in 1964 it is clear that the EU is more than a mere alliance to enter or to leave, like Nato, but a body of own law and no national court, law maker or how ever else has the right to ignore or overrule EU-law.
Or would you see it as proper if an English council would ignore Act of Parliament?
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Do you think that constitutional issues shall be subject to referendum each generation?
If this is the case than you must promote e. g. a referendum of the People of Essex to be part of England every 30 years. This would be hardly reasonable ....
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The term is not vague, if you know the background, e.g.the declaration of the French Government of 1950 ("Schuman Declaration"), the declaration of Adenauer of 1949 and like the statements of European Christian Democrats of 1947 or similar statements of Social Democrats.
It was 1975 very well know to anyone what the whole project was about, including a common currency (google for "Werner Plan"). [cont.]
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An "ever closer union" could the treaty be any more vague?. The fact is this country has not had a vote on any treaty since then. The reason for thisis because the powers that be and people like you know the people not only in the UK but in France and Holland the voted NO and were ignored.
What meaning of the word DEMOCRACY don't you understand. How dare you try and claim that what was voted for in the 1975 treaty explained what has happened up to now.
Let the people decide !
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The British people voted in 1975, they agreed to a treaty which clearly states that the goal of an "ever closer union". Since more than 10 years prior the Court in Luxembourg declared in 1965 that the ECC was beyond a mere trade association.
Did you read the treaties?
BTW: The sovereignty within the UK is not invested in the people, but with the Crown and Parliament. If you uphold British tradition you need to uphold the will of Parliament absolutely. That's the law.
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Such a typical undemocratic statement you make "do people not read the treaties" You just don't seem to understand, it makes very little difference if we read them or not. We are not, as British Citizens, allowed to vote in a democratic referendum to say what we want for our country, The French voted NO, The Dutch voted NO - the IRISH voted NO and were told to TRY AGAIN!!
This is not my idea of Democracy - the British people have never voted on any of the treaties !! It stinks.
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You just read the public documents, the Schuman Declaration, the speeches of Adenauer and others: The EU is not a "conspiracy", but a project of an "ever closer union", openly declared since the 1950s. There is nothing secret regarding turning the EU into a Federation.
What the fuss about this? Do people not read the treaties?
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Vote UKIP/ Save Europe from the UK!
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I was never really a conspiracy theorist ...always thought the were a bit mad. Turns out I was wrong, Ken clarke turned down the chance to be Prime Minister over Europe or should I say BILDERBERG group. Yes he is a member as most of the Pro European's are. They meet and set the world agenda. What price democracy??
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I hate all this "Its law so we're stuck with it" Attitude. LAWS CAN BE REPEALED!!! And laws will be repealed!!
People always say "Voting for a 3rd party is a waste of a vote"
But when the first two parties wont do what the people want, theyre not being representitive of the people that voted them in!!
The true waste of a vote is voting for a party that will do the opposite of what you want!!
Let your vote reflect who you are, and what you want. Vote UKIP!!
AtheistThatsATheist 2 years ago 12
Sorry Dave I think you have really missed the boat here on this one!!!! Who cares what you personally want, it is us the British public who have been lied to and treated like we are a bunch of thick idiots. It is what we want that counts, but will any one listen us? Probably not. I have been a loyal voting conservative for well over 25 years not any more UKIP will have my vote from now on.
donbbk 2 years ago 5