Derrick Jensen: Civilization & Resistance

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Derrick Jensen spoke at Binghamton University on September 21, 2008.

Category:

News & Politics

Tags:

• anarchism
• anarchy
• apocalypse
• civilization
• derrick
• jensen

[AntiYChromosome]

Star Nonviolent Civil Disobedience... LOL!

I fucking love Derrick!

[Soulisscool]

Even comedians tell the same jokes at different venues too, because the rooms are filled with different people....does it matter? listen to the message instead.

[KvalnirFox]

@trank3But you see, that is the problem. Stories and fairytales don't match the real life. There is no Darth Wader. Believe me I wish there was, everything would be so simple;) There is no ultimate evil, like in stories. There is just us. If you take out the head of evil, a new one will just come in its place. You can't stop destruction with destruction, history tells it's been tried. It never works. Why? Because there is certain amount of evil in the world.We need to eradicate evil, not people.

[trank31337]

@dinokralt4 I don't understand what you mean. To truly rally behind them I think would mean to destroy environmentally destructive agencies. How is that ideological? Do you know what the #1 Domestic Terrorist threat in the USA is? Its ELF, Earth Liberation Front. All they do is destroy unhealthy industry for the benefit of the Earth and all it's people and glory and beauty. You can bet a good many of those courageous people have read Derrick Jensen's books.

[trank31337]

@KvalnirFox Not violence necessarily, but at least destruction. But seriously, say there really was a "Darth Vader" who was in charge of destroying the Earth's climate, are you saying that given the chance you wouldn't murder him? You would try to love him instead? What if what he wants in his heart of hearts is to destroy the Earth? Since you love him and want him to be happy, you should let this happen, yes? Hmm...

[KvalnirFox]

Its funny. And true. But I hope hes not trying to say that violence is the answer. We all know that violence isn't the answer, in our hearts we know it.

[dinokralt4]

wikipedia: Jensen says that he sees civilization to be inherently unsustainable and based on violence. He argues that the modern industrial economy is fundamentally at odds with healthy relationships, the natural environment, and indigenous peoples. .... Accordingly, he exhorts readers and audiences to help bring an end to industrial civilization. this man is much more intelligent and creative then myself, but to truly rally behind these ideas appears to be pure ideology. How can it not?

[natmanprime]

oh yeah, also world wide welfare

to go with the world wide web.

wars and economy is undermined, everyone will feel less desperate, people would still be free to make money, it just becomes impossible to starve for lack of it.

With those things in place, humanity will take care of the rest.

now we have a clear target.

how do we get there? by the most rational means possible.

i leave that to you, but I recommend by making use of the principles of the 8 circuits (see RAWilson)

[WSWarthog]

@hymnofashes

It's just a metaphor he created to give himself a vehicle to make a point. Being pedantically obsessive over the precise shade of meaning of the metaphor is unecessary if you understand the overall context and meaning. The only reason to raise an objection would be in that case that you've found a flaw in the argument being put forward which itself can be expressed within the same metaphor.

[HypnotizedAwake]

@UglyFacet Yeah that makes sense

[UglyFacet]

@HypnotizedAwake

I haven't met Jensen personally, couldn't tell you how arrogant he is. I meant specifically the folks who try and tell everyone else how to express themselves. That's a dangerous and divisive kind of arrogance that's worth saying something about, you know? Who are they to tell the rest of us how to politic?

And it becomes just one more way that dissent is neutralized.