Where in the Brain Is Consciousness Located?

UCSB's Michael Gazzaniga says that's a trick question: Consciousness is a flexible and ever-changing process. Part 3 of Unlocking the Secrets and Powers of the Brain, sponsored by the NSF, The Franklin Institute, and DISCOVER magazine. http://discovermagazine.com/events/unlocking-the-secrets-and-powers-of-the-br...

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[14sJakeB190]

They just label the brain activity and call it "consciousness" , there is not reason to think that human brain itself generates consciousness , just like there is no reason to think that my computer screen generates web pages.Just labeling something "consciousness" doesnt make it so.

[MrAquinoflavio]

@AstralEtheric : And on top of it, you havent provided the minimal amount of evidence for why dualism succesfully acounts for the ''hard'' problem,or why it is a problem in the first place. Your argument seems to reduce to this: I cannot imagine how qualia emerges from neural computation, therefore, it is impossible. You dont have to be a genius to realize that it is a non-sequitur.

[MrAquinoflavio]

@AstralEtheric : Are you refering to that long outmoded penrose-hameroff model? Nobody really takes it seriously. Not to start with the famous quote, by smolin,that it is unlikely that the brain evolved quantum behavior, due to its high temparature, but penroses' mathemathical argument against computationalism is completely rejected by the majority of cognitve scientists and mathemathicians(search l.j landal 1997 and geogiev 2009, as a start.)

[AstralEtheric]

@MrAquinoflavio

And you'll quickly find that the model you present is insufficient to explain consciousness. I suggest observing other models such as Orch-OR which directly addresses the problem from a physics perspective. /watch?v=ZAVQjMf2fEQ

[MrAquinoflavio]

@AstralEtheric :It is impossible to proof it. As chomsky new mysterianism asserts, ''because of the necessarily subjective nature of experience it is impossible to demonstrate objectively why it arises from brain actvity''. I dont see why that should be a problem, instead of another mistery. Just because we cannot conceve x, or x emergence, that doesnt serve as evidence for ~x. And if that is, then the dualist has also to account how consciousness arises from ''imaterialness''.

[AstralEtheric]

@MrAquinoflavio

I believe you misunderstand. This "mistery" is a hard problem for the materialist paradigm. You must first prove materialism and objective realism is true (good luck with that considering the known experiments of quantum mechanics) and you must also prove that consciousness and thoughts emerges from this unconscious matter.

[MrAquinoflavio]

@AstralEtheric ; It is a process that ocurrs in the brain. There is a difference from a thing and a process. And the hard problem, wich is not a problem, is a mistery. There is a difference from actual problems, like intentionality, and stupid, futile and unproductive mysteries like qualia and the ''hard'' problem.

[AstralEtheric]

@MrAquinoflavio

What are you even trying to rebut here? The idea of consciousness not being a 'thing'?

I don't know whether you're aware of what defines a 'thing' here but it's basically an entity, an idea, or a quality perceived, known, or thought to have its own existence.

You may also want to research the hard problem of consciousness and integrated information theory.

[MrAquinoflavio]

@AstralEtheric : Consciousness isn't immaterial. it is not a ''thing'' in the fisrt place, dumbfuck. It doesnt make sense to describe it as such. Imagine that we fuse up two brains into one. Do we have more ''mind'' than when it was only one brain? We can only coherently describe it as a functional process.

[whitenightf3]

@LogosTheos Hi YT does not allow us to put links in to messages. Use a search engine type in Lorber and people born without brains. People may be surprised to learn that Star fish who exhibit human behaviour in that they have shown to be social creatures who have good memories, hunt, learn etc have no brains. You could also search for the story about Mike the Headless chicken. When you show materialist these cases they say consciousness arises in the brain stem, if so why the need for rest brain