The Truth of the Times 8 - Will the Real Horus Please Stand Up?

WARNING: STRONG LANGUAGE AND SUGGESTIVE THEMES ARE DISCUSSED IN THIS EPISODE!

This is not a "debunk" series like some might think. Its out to examine the Truth, the whole Truth and find ultimately how much of the conspiracy genre is fact and how much is fiction or speculation (to the best of our ability of course). Its a group effort so feel free to critique, especially if you have some evidence to back up your claims.

The purpose of this series is 2-fold. First, I wish to bring to light the facts and fiction of the Zeitgeist movie and the movement in general. Secondly, I hope this video will serve as an example to other YouTube users as to the proper way to make a response video, namely cite all of your sources with at least a hyperlink if not APA or MLA. This allows people to see where you are coming from.

What made Zeitgeist so engrossing was the flood of new information which formed a coherent argument with out having to cite sources or discuss which parts were only theory.

This episode starts dealing with the issues that many have been complaining I didn't tackle earlier: "savior gods".

I have seen a lot of responses to this film and finally decided that I should really make one to top them all by digging to the very source of each and every argument and presenting it alongside the response. These are issues of science and faith that shake people to the core and should not be so easily written off by any one person or movie with out a shred of evidence.

This YouTube series is the living rough draft for the final feature film. All are encouraged to share their thoughts and point out where improvements could be made. If anyone would like to help in the technical aspects, making animations, finding relavant film footage (no flv please, avi, mov and wmv only) or contributing valid sources to back up or disprove points in the movie I will add you to the credits. I do not plan to make money off of this movie so its an all volunteer effort!

Many people have viewed the Zeitgeist film, but how many are willing to go the distance to ensure our society is kept in the paths of knowledge and truth? Question everything and cite the answers!

-Vinny

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[MisterCabana]

I'm sorry dude, but you seem to be missing the point in zeitgeist movies. The few points you extract from them are totally irrelevant since the movement does not intend to be religious or to debate religion in any instance. In case you didn't notice, they only show similarities in all of them throughout history and how MODERN church are assembling them together to manipulate the masses. Unfortunately, you religious people insist to debate upon un-existent facts in what you call faith.

[VinnfordSansbury]

@MisterCabana No apology needed. Zeitgeist had 3 points: Jesus is a myth, 9/11 is a myth, and the financial system is broken. This episode of the first part of the series focuses on following the academic citations and showing people where Peter Joseph got his information from and which information was passed along accurately or skewed like a telephone game. No religiousity is required. PJ, by wit or lack of, has assembled facts and conjectured myths of his own to skew the historical record.

[dudekin]

Nice one.

I have a video that may help you slightly regarding the whole 'Meri' thing. You're probably best of reading the transcript.

[VinnfordSansbury]

I think you've got the right approach. You seem to have dug up a lot of information and formatted it quite professionally, but I encourage you to dig back to primary sources and fact check all the timelines.

[MisterCabana]

@VinnfordSansbury I don't see how you came to the conclusion PJ "conjectured myths of his own". As for the "academic citations", I would like to ask if you, on the other hand, have any concrete undeniable EVIDENCE of everything the academy tells you.

[Angelatopia]

Find someone who can translate the ancient writings. Or a book which has done so. Rather than these books from Various authors. You are finding flaws in the workings of the maker of this video, but that doesn't necessarily debunk anything. It shows an eye for flaws, and lots of research of cited materials. I'm looking for the truth, not human error. Thanks.

[flyboy1c]

One of my favorites so far... PLEASE keep em coming, you're doing awesome on there's.

[VinnfordSansbury]

Is there a typed version of this somewhere? The handwriting is really hard to make out, especially since its in German (not my best language honestly). Otherwise I'm going to have to set this project aside for a while because I have a test coming up and as much as I'd like to dedicate more time to this pursuit, I already used up a lot of it salvaging episode 8 from the grave. (What I really need is a new editor)

[VinnfordSansbury]

Plutarch lived from around 46 - 120 AD. This means he is talking about a figure (harpocrats) who was conjured up 400 years before his time, borrowed from Shed, who was borrowed from Horus 900 years earlier who existed in mythology since 3000 BC. Plutarch does not present any evidence beyond his own word for the solstice birth and futhermore already treats Horus and Harpocrates as seperate entities in his writings!

[VinnfordSansbury]

So a quick word search of Herodotus didn't connect the solstice to Horus at all. In fact, I didn't find mention of Horus once. Going back to Wilkinson, he must have blended this information alongside the mysteries that Herodotus speaks of instead of quoting them directly. Back to page 79 on the good copy he quotes Plutarch about the solstice. FINALLY we find that is it HARPOCRATES who is brought forth around the solstice. NOT Horus. This according to Plutarch at least.

[VinnfordSansbury]

Darn my smudgy copy! Its actually Herodotus being quoted here, a historian who lived in the 5th century BC, long after Horus' mythology had already been in place. Still, might as well see where this goes.