Nobody is better off before conception

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Non existence has no value because there is no valuer. It is only the ending of current existence or the perpetuation of it by living valuers that can be a potential value. Why doesn't David Benatar promote suicide when, by his own logic, there is nothing to lament? Perhaps he knows that he would face legal problems from the families of those who may follow such advice. In any case there does seem to be a type of fundamentalism growing out of the antinatalist word play.

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[Cashify]

read a book when i was little called 'the crack in the cosmic egg'

[Barklord]

@Cashify before you yolked yourself to God and scrambled your brain?

zzzziiiiiiiiiinnnggg !! !!

[antinatalism1]

appreciated your thinking here barklord

[Barklord]

@antinatalism1 Thanks, antinatalism1. Been thinking about this some more and it still occurs to me that your logic points to suicide as the most rational choice. I say this because you will inevitably die someday and if you do not control it, you are opening up the possibility of an extremely horrible and painful death rather than a relatively quick and painless one. Also, if you become sick or disabled you may become a burden to friends and family. (continued)

[Barklord]

@Barklord The fact that some people may mourn your loss is due to their irrational view that you should be alive. In fact, they should see the obvious fact that you are ending the possibility of suffering. I truly think that your logic points to the conclusion that you should promote suicide in everyday conversation and logical argument. To do otherwise is to procrastinate the end of suffering. If you commit suicide, and explain the logic before hand, you would not impose it on anyone. (more)

[Barklord]

@Barklord If this causes anyone any sadness they are also free to escape in the same manner if it is unbearable. I'm sure there are some quick and painless ways to die under your own control rather than irrationally letting things happen unexpectedly. This really does seem to be the logic of your argument here.

I hope you decide to choose a happy, contented life. Even if beauty and love appear irrational to you.

[antinatalism1]

@Barklord I see that logic using the individual as an example for life as a whole

[f417h2GRACE]

he he=he/her

[Cashify]

@Barklord before I was a full grown Om. I was a mere om-lette.

[DanaGarrett]

@DiwataMan "the liberty interests of those parents" Fascinating standard for a utilitarian. Some people have a liberty interest to inflict physical suffering on other people? In my view, he is rationalizing child abuse. But I am not surprised. I find more and more that many anti-natalists have particular groups, as well as humanity in general, that they wish to prey upon.

[DanaGarrett]

@DiwataMan Actually, BY FAR most credible studies show that corporeal punishment does harm children in the long term. Some studies find that the effect is negligible. I'm sure Benatar knows that, but he is leaving a misleading impression about it. So, then, even if the the long-term effect is negligible, the short-term effect is suffering from the beatings. Yet he's for it. So much for his vaunted concern about human suffering.