swissair crash cockpit recording part 2

Air traffic control tapes of Swissair Flight 111 have finally been released after a legal battle that went all the way to the Supreme Court of Canada.

The ATC tapes, released by the Canadian Press, have not been made public since the 1998 crash that killed 229 people.

The tapes contain hours of recording including the final dramatic 12 minutes of the flight before the aircraft plunged at high speed into St. Margaret's Bay, N.S., near Halifax.

"Swissair one eleven is declaring pan pan pan we have smoke in the cockpit," one pilot said.

"Pan pan pan" means there is an emergency on board the aircraft, but that there is no immediate danger.

Later, another said, "We are declaring emergency now" (this can be heard on part four of the audio link to the right).

They were told they could commence the fuel dump, discussed altitude and the approach to Halifax airport with air traffic controllers. They were asked to advise when it was complete.

There was one last garbled "hello," then presumably electrical failure cut off communications. About six minutes after the last transmission, everyone was dead.

The MD-11 aircraft left New York for Geneva on Sept. 2, 1998.

The aircraft smashed into the dark water off Peggy's Cove at 10:31 p.m. Atlantic Time at an estimated 550 kilometres an hour, killing everyone onboard and shattering the plane into literally millions of tiny fragments.

The impact of the jet hitting the water made seismographic needles in Moncton and Halifax flutter as if an earthquake had struck.

Vic Gerden, chief investigator into the crash, said families of the victims have not yet heard the audio although they were briefed extensively at the time of the disaster.

"I don't recall them having the opportunity to listen to the tapes,'' Gerden, who retired last year, told the Canadian Press from Winnipeg.

Some family member predicted the tapes would be hard to hear, even after so many years.

"These things bring an event back to people, the family members, who've put a lot of time and distance between the crash ... and their losses,'' Miles Gerety, who lost his brother Pierce in the crash, told the Canadian Press from his home in Redding, Conn. "I think it would be hard to hear.''

After the crash, the Transportation Safety Board refused to release the ATC audio, saying it contained personal information.

John Reid, then Canada's information commissioner, initially supported the refusal. "In my view, the voices, along with the tonal and emotive characteristics, constitute personal information of three air traffic controllers and the two pilots,'' he ruled in 1999.

Reid eventually reversed on his decision after he received complaints about the board's refusal to release audio from four other air disasters.

He fought the board and Nav Canada all the way to the Supreme Court, which eventually ruled the transmissions should be released to the public.

The ruling brings Canada in line with countries that have allowed ATC recordings to be available for years.

*If anyone wants teh transcripts you should get in touch with me directly.

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[cutelguy]

I am no expert in air control or piloting. But my common sense would have told me: forget the manual, procedure, etc., LAND THE PLANE NOW!!!! As soon as I smelled smoke or fire and could not put it out, I knew it would be a matter of time before the fire destroyed major electrical equipment needed to keep my plane up. Anyone else agree with this?

[partsmadeinbrasil]

this is exactly why i get wasted on every flight!

[James22862286]

It was a mistake to declare that the plane was'nt in immediate danger. The FAA should change the rules: ALL electrical fires where the source cannot be directly located and extinguished should be declared an emergency. Fuel should have been dumped over land and the plane able to make a direct approach to the nearest airport. I understand its easier to say in hindsight.

[rpmiracle]

@cutelguy You're a Monday morning quarterback. You don't just smell smoke at FL350 and dive into a runway with a heavy MD-11, regardless of what you do on your MSFS04. Second, time records prove these pilots would have been completely engulfed in flames before making a safe landing even if they had descended and vectored to a runway at the very first sign of smoke.

[LushForests]

@kissingbanditt In part one he said pan which means the plane isn't in immediate danger. It's advised that he should land as soon and safe as possible. Therefore he should dump fuel because it is a safety concern during an emergency landing. You cannot dump fuel over a residential area so he needed to do it over the ocean. When he was over the ocean following regular procedures the plane controls died, that's when he declares an emergency (mayday). But it was to late. Everyone tried their best.

[partsmadeinbrasil]

@antibulletdodger101 Every flight dude!

[antibulletdodger101]

@partsmadeinbrasil lol, dude, lol!

[antibulletdodger101]

@cutelguy I don´t agree. I would keep flying. In fact I would gain alltitude like a mutherfucker and then go down like a flaming meteor

[vinnynumbnuts]

very sad to listen to.

[kissingbanditt]

Tower made a mistake, and yes im an expert....he should have landed the plane ASAP and who cared if he dumped fuel 20 miles before the runway..It was an emergency landing, not a usual dump where you have the luxury to fly around and dump fuel...

[andygaro1]

@Jamshedac and...what about buddha ?

[conlumo]

@cutelguy i think its easy to say so sitting in front of your pc and watching the video.

pilots have very strict regulations what to say and what not to say, if there werent these regulations, it would just be a huge chaos in aircraft radio... In my opinion, its a great achievment to stay that calm in such a situation. Where should he land the plane? maybe it would crash by landing on a too short airstrip, and the consequences would be the same!