Does an Omnipotent God Negate Free-Will? -Disproving Atheism

I define free will as the ability to make a choice between two or more actions, and for that choice to be informed by more than just nature and nurture forces. Even if there are forces that limit your actions, if you still have a choice within that scope, I think that is still free will, and that is the definition my argument operates under. It is mainly defined by choice.

I define choice as the ability to make an objective decision. To be able to see both sides without always having an emotional, cultural, etc, interference driving your decision.

I would say we even have free will if these influences have less than total control over the decision making process.

Description:
First I show that if God is all knowing, that it does not mean we don't have free will. Then I point out the logical fallacy in justifying this flawed idea, in case getting proven wrong once is not enough for you.

Then I go into what I would consider an aside about if we have free will or not outside of the context of God, since I know that will come up in response to this.

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Education

Tags:

• God
• free
• will
• determinism
• atheist
• Christian
• atheism
• logic
• Jesus
• Allah
• proof
• theist
• disproving

[xSHNVDx]

Jessalon is correct; you oughtta get a little more respect for ppl bro.

[5thWatcher]

@xSHNVDx You too will someday get jokes.

[JacobusCT]

Unfortunately you have made a mistake in your argument. There is a logical fallacy evolved when travelling back in time. Please don't use such stupid examples.

[polopowers1]

God does not know the future; He made it. God ordained all things. But our mind acts as if I choose as if it I had a will. We must come to acceptance and powerlessness or we struggle with everyday life. Why? we look for a power we can use made from ourselves, but we are always undermined in our determinations regardless of how perfect they seem . Powerlessness is serenity acceptance of a determined will.....act as if you make a difference or to make a difference accept limits and have peace

[Venaloid]

0:52 - 1:49 - If you (the human observer) know, with absolute certainty, what I'm going to do, then that IS what I'm going to do, by definition.

2:58 - 3:09 - Again, if God 100% knows what you're going to do, then that IS, 100%, what you're going to do. And if you 100% ARE going to do something, that's determinism. They ARE the same thing.

4:05 - 4:16 - But if it's 100% predictable, then it IS deterministic.

Sorry to have so many caps, I'm doing that for emphasis on those specific words.

[TheMors666]

The problem of free will doesn't stem just from God knowing the future, but that He is responsible for the creation of everything.

Before He created the universe He knew all of the sins the people in His universe would commit. He knew what the position of every particle in the universe would be at any point in time. He knew I'd type this before He said, "Let there be light".

He knew everything, was responsible for creating everything, and decided it would be exactly this way.

[APaleDot]

It's not so much omniscience itself, but the combination of omniscience and omnipotence that negates free will, so....

Yeah, that argument still stands.

[soulteachings]

and what the FUCK, what are you doing with fancy clothes and expensive furniture. Jesus said "unless you sell everything and give to the poor, you cannot be my disciple". You are a hypocrite and a proud one to. Consider yourself having yet another enemy ;)

[soulteachings]

Gods knowledge of my future free will choices is the same as my free will choices being predetermined. The second I was born, God knew whether or not I would make it into Heaven or Hell (because he could see into my future). So my salvation is therefore predetermined by Gods foreknowledge. Yes I agree, it was still I who made the choices. But it stills make it predeterminism.

[soulteachings]

Let me ask you a question. How do you know that God doesnt see into your future that you have left the faith, blasphemed God and failed the test? So spare us the arrogance. And BTW, your argument fails so much that I dont even want to bother disputing it.