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@Thunkful2 Dispensationalist interpretation was invented at the Vatican as an alternative to Protestant interpretation. If you don't believe that ...google Francisco Ribera and Manuel Lacunza, both of them were Jesuits. Spend some time on this, instead of assuming I'm full of crap. It was called the Counter-Reformation.
vachief 2 months ago
@vachief
Actually, Dispensational interpretation is an essential Christian hermeneutic practiced by most Christians of most denominations. I don't know any Christians trying to do animal sacrifices -- that was for them back when, not us. That is the essence of Dispensational interp. The idea that while all Bible is God's word & for us, it is not all TO us for us directly to obey. Despite that, many Chrs have confused Israel & the Church.
Thunkful2 2 months ago
@vachief
Have you got any proof of all that? Have you read Ulrich/Ulricht Zwingli? I doubt it since you got his name wrong. How do u know how common Dispensationalism was in 1956? Have you heard of Judge Joel Jones of Philadelphia (Presbyterian) & George Peters (Lutheran), and Lewis Sperry Chafer (presby)? What's your proof?
Thunkful2 2 months ago
@Thunkful2 ...Dwight L. Moody got his ideas from John Nelson Darby, Moody was the biggest promoter of dispensationist teaching in the United States at the time. Cyrus Scofield worked for him. Hal Lindsey carried on the tradition in the early 70s.
vachief 3 months ago
@Thunkful2 ...Do you really believe that Jews are the "People of God?" ....the Holy Bible does not teach that, those that follow Jesus are. The kingdom of God was taken from the Jews by Jesus himself and given to the "Saints", they have done the work...not Jews...." a "chosen generation" an holy nation, but are now the people of God......" 1 Peter 2:10
vachief 3 months ago
@Thunkful2 ...Dispensationalism was virtualy unheard of in 1956, those ideas of biblical exegesis were limited to small groups of snake handelers and holy rollers. Methodists, Presbterians, Episcolpalians, etc, etc. all taught historism. There is good reason for that, Futurism was developed in Rome by a Jesuit named Francisco Ribera, as a method to stall the Reformation who had identified the Papacy as the 1st beast of Rev.13. Wycliffe, Luther, Tyndale, Calvin, Huss, Zwingle all beleved that.
vachief 3 months ago
@vachief
If you want to establish a true doctrine, the place to go is the Bible, not so-called "Church History," which BTW I have taught at university level. Yes, Darby did promulgate the diff between the Church & Israel. Moody was an evangelist who promoted not going to the theater (no doubt quite contrary to papists & prots). I don't recall him being big in dispensational theory.
Modern history says something by the return of Israel & its national revival.
Thunkful2 3 months ago
@vachief
What leads u to believe that the Church has always viewed itself as the replacement of Israel? The Bible does not. Paul in Rom 9-11 does not. I do not. How do u know what the ENTIRE ref believed? Can u prove that the Anabaptists believed that? What about the "Trail of Blood" believers who were never Romanists nor Prots? U may be able to show that in most of the ecclesiastical lit of the papists JUSTIFICATION BY FAITH was not believed. But they are NOT the Church.
Thunkful2 3 months ago
@Thunkful2 ..The Christian church has always viewed itself as the spritual replacement of the litteral Isrealites. The entire Protestant Reformation believed that.
...The idea that Jews still remain as Gods' chosen people was forwarded by Francisco Ribera during the Reformation, he was a Jesuit who hated Protestants, later it was made popular by Manuel Lacunza, Edward Irving, Darby, Moody and now ...Hal Lindsey. Google... Francisco Ribera and read about him.
vachief 3 months ago
@vachief
Where is a scripture to prove that all believers are "Isreal" [sic]? Certainly not Rom 10:3.
"Brethren, my heart’s desire and my supplication to God is for them, that they may be saved. For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge. For being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and seeking to establish their own, they did not subject themselves to the righteousness of God."
The offspring of Jacob will be saved (Rom 11; Zech 12:10).
Thunkful2 3 months ago