Bob Barr on Abortion & FLDS Raid

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[MrAbolitionist]

@THEBURNINGTIGERS I meant voluntary polygamy, not coerced marriages of any kind.

[THEBURNINGTIGERS]

@MrAbolitionist So you care for a fetus but not actual lving children forced into child marraiges.

[MrAbolitionist]

I really don't like it when people lump prenatal child dismemberment with polygamy.

[reddjames79]

If she has the baby then who is going to take care of the baby? The government? Nope, government wants to end medicaid. They're concerned with a person while in the womb, once born they don't care what happens. It's insanity! The person on life support isn't able to choose because they're on life support! The family makes that decision. You can't rule murder/life in one category and not in the other through the same argument. Within law this is discrimination.

[chwparker]

In that situation, she can at least decide for herself whether or not she wants to. And if she can't, it's because she's brain dead. Just about every adult I've known has made it well known that they would want the plug pulled if they were brain dead, so at least they have a chance to make their own decision. In abortion, the child doesn't even have a chance. Plus you cite ignorance, but look at how many other options there are. You would have to be ignorant to not know about those.

[reddjames79]

Let's say your mother has had something very bad happen to her and she's only surviving through life support on a machine. By your own definition, pulling the plug (which is perfectly legal and your decision) makes you a murderer. Science rules that life is still there. That decision is left up to the family, which is why abortion is also legal. Over turning Roe vs. Wade effects more than abortion, politicians count on ignorance to gain more power, unfortunately they're getting it.

[chwparker]

It's not about sensationalism. I'm sorry if you dont see it as murder, but it is. And I also agree that we need to teach people about alternatives besides abstinence, and suppor that.

[chwparker]

good point

[reddjames79]

That information is not clear. Studies state that 3% of abortion is due to rape or incest. However that's only half of the story. Over 191,000 rapes were reported in 2005, that's roughly only 16% of actual rape. Rapist only serve 3-5 years for their crimes leaving the victim vulnerable. I wish all women could report but until the system works for them, they have to make the decision themselves. If thats only a portion of the rapes reported, 3% is only the a portion of rape involved abortions.

[reddjames79]

It is not murdering an infant, you're using sensationalism to invoke emotion and make a rash decision. Adoption? If people did adopt we wouldn't have children needing adoption through DHS. AND if people using their sensationalism for calling someone a murderer would use their energies to make sure our $1 billion dollar budget didn't go for abstinence only programs and taught about condoms we wouldn't have an abortion issue as big as we do in the first place! Time to use brains folks!