The Intelligence Squared Debate (5 of 5) Hitchens, Fry, Widdecombe, Onaiyekan on the Catholic Church

Christopher Hitchens and Stephen Fry versus Ann Widdecombe John Onaiyekan in a debate on "Is the Catholic Church a force of good in the world".

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[Hallerz212]

To be fair to the Catholic side, the pairing of Stephan Fry and Christopher Hitchens is the intellectual team from hell. They could be arguing against the existence of gravity and i'd still end up believe them.

[livstar93]

@abadcaseofthebeatles the church has been in england longer than any of the countries you mentioned, minus italy. english people are not angry, or even opposed to religion. what we are brought up and trained to do however, is not to believe unquestioningly. we study the world objectively. to explore, understand empiricism, be interested in and research more than just one view. the church asks us to believe blindly, without real physical evidence. and make up our own minds

[einnaecarg]

@graypatrick99 The Church does not force anyone to do anything. She is the means which we receive the graces we need to have eternal life. BUT not you or I are forced to do anything. With our free will we do what we do. If you are not a Christian, I supposed that you don't believe that there is hell. Then you have nothing to worry about. You can pretty much do whatever it is that you want to do. And good luck.

[einnaecarg]

@graypatrick99 Hitchens and Fry were correct in enumerating the sins of Christians. But the debate was not about Christians as a whole being a good force in the world or not. The debate was about the Catholic Church. And that's where Hitchens and Fry got it wrong. They do not know the Church's dogma or if they do, they deliberately ignored them. They only told the crowd the sins of some of us and not what you and I ought to do according to the gospel.

[thursday2217]

@lexalulu997 This was so well said. I notice no one has addressed these arguments. Your arguments are right on target.

[thursday2217]

@graypatrick99 My oh my, where do I begin. One, you are misinformed about the Church teaching on sex and contraceptives. Two, promoting what the Church asserts is truth is not forcing anyone to do or believe anything. What don't you get about that. Three, the Church does not have the power to send anyone to Hell. Four, I never said all the Church's policies are absolutely correct. Five, Hitchens and Fry are not only mistaken but are purposefully so.

[graypatrick99]

@einnaecarg I agree that Denchanter357 seems to be misinformed. However, Hitchens and Fry evidently aren't as they debate for a whole 5 videos over what the catholic church believes without having even a single mistake in the midst of their work.

[graypatrick99]

@thursday2217 If the catholic church does not force anyone to do anything, how come it tells people that using condoms is evil and will make them end up in hell?

I'm sorry, but you need to look at the policies of the catholic church before telling us that all it's policies are absolutely correct.

[thursday2217]

The lady at the end of this video seems to be arguing that giving birth is some sort of disease that needs to be cured. To imply that the Catholic Church is prohibiting the use or availability of condoms in Africa is RIDICULOUS. The Catholic Church, again, does not force anyone to do anything. I have been a Catholic all my life the Church has never forced me to do anything, never, ever. These people do not want the Church to have the religious liberty to believe and preach what they do.

[Spaceman2921]

@einnaecarg

If everyone thought like that, no one would have sex and the human race would die out in one generation.

and it's either EVREY SINGLE PERSON ON THE PLANET stops having sex (although sometimes they can't even control that), or Mr. Pope McSillyhat tells everyone that they can use condoms and STDs stop spreading.