From "The God Who Wasn't There" full film - The Christs Before Christ
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The last interviewee makes me lose hope in a certain portion of humanity..."dunno, dunno, dunno, JESUS!"
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@epigenomical Here here! I'm also tired of people, including friends and family, saying things like "I don't really believe in god either, why do you make such a big deal out of it?" Next time I will quote your comment word for word
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I was very tempted to flag this as inappropriate for misleading text (full film?) I'll let this one slide as we're on the same page as regards to the nonsense of religion but take this as a warning, noone likes having their time wasted
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@StAugustine79 Even when Jews were oppressed and forced to worship other gods, once they were liberated, some wouldn't stop. (See third Maccabes and Diodorus). The centuries where OT books were canonized was also a period of heavey Hellenization and Alexandria (were the Septuagint was compiled) was a favourite place for Hellenized Jews. What's being said isn't a literal crucifixion but on that took place through effigies of gods being placed on poles and trees.
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@danieljliversLXXXIX That is true, but the context under which Jews worshipped other gods was when they deviated from their own established faith such as during the Babylonian Captivity period. The messianic prophecies, if borrowed from pagan traditions, would have been rejected by later Jewish rabbis. Although the Dead Sea Scrolls were from 200 BCE, the actual Tanakh was compiled in 450 BCE and written over the course of around 500 yrs. Crucifixion was not invented until 600 BCE.
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@StAugustine79 Mere typography and nothing more. It's not even prophetical. The Dead Sea scrolls are only dated to around the second century BCE, and the worshiping of Gods on cross-like fetishes goes far back prior to that, especially in Egypt. As far as Jews borrowing from Pagans goes, just look in the OT and the Jews worshiping other gods. Hell look up Plutarch and Diodorus and what they mention about Jews worshiping Dionysus.
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@StAugustine79 Mithras was. Mithra wasn't.
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@danieljliversLXXXIX The crucified motif emerged directly from the Old Testament particularly in Psalm 22, Zechariah 12:10, Isaiah 53:12. We know that the Jewish Canon predated the Gospels centuries before from the Dead Sea Scrolls. If you want to claim that the Jews borrowed from pagan traditions, you would have to provide historical evidence for that as well. Christology did not emerge apart from the Jewish tradition, as if plagiarized somehow. There is NO evidence for that claim.
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@danieljliversLXXXIX Mithras was born from a rock in every account.
@mcollins7482; You are desperately wrong to lament efforts of reasonable people to purge our world of the scourge ignorance and intolerance that is religion. It is critically important for atheists to encourage free thought and not simply curl up and watch the destructive forces of "faith" and "belief" in the irrational to continue to harm our societies. Teaching people to become rational thinkers is an incredibly important and productive goal, and you should be ashamed of your apathy.
epigenomical 1 year ago 13
@FullMoonMysticism1 As long as there is a dollar to be made by terrorising the credulous and the stupid, Christianity will continue to flourish. It's a religion of masochists and slaves.
Beeshitten 1 year ago 7