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David Horowitz on the O'Reilly Factor 10/25/07

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[Okie7171]

I love how the FAR LEFT hides behind FREE SPEECH but when ANYONE says something they disagree with they will try to SHOUT THEM DOWN or even ASSAULT THEM! It's the Left philosophy... when you can't win the argument CENSOR your opponent!!

[RogerOnTheRight]

This idiotic woman is a prime example of why Democrats vote for Republicans. If Republicans win this next election by some miracle, it will be in no small part due to the insanity of people like this.

She insists on defending rights of those who agree with her, but won't defend the rights of others.

In other words, it is not about rights, but only power.

Is that not what fascism is about?

[Schniddo]

@RogerOnTheRight Positive I'm going to move this to your page, I think!

[Schniddo]

@RogerOnTheRight Classical liberalism is all about negative freedoms - ‘negative liberty’ is the idea that a person is free to the extent that they’re able to do what they want, or what they might want to do, without experiencing coercive interference by others (Isiah Berlin) When people talk about a conflict between freedom and equality, what they often have in mind is the idea that if you promote equality, you have to impose all kinds of restrictions on negative freedom.

[Schniddo]

@RogerOnTheRight Your mistake seems to be in conflating capitalism with liberal democracy. The two do not necessarily need to coexist (case in point: China). As for Stalin, he himself represented a "non-international departure" from socialist orthodoxy. That was the whole point of 'socialism in one country'. The shape the Soviet Union took under Stalin was very similar indeed to fascism in some ways but that is a far cry from the Russia of 1917.

[Schniddo]

@RogerOnTheRight Yes Gov had unlimited control over business but the way corporatism worked was as a system of guilds, or associations, of employees and employers to administer various sectors of the national economy. These were represented in the national council of corporations which were generally weighted by the state in favor of the wealthy classes, and they served to combat socialism and syndicalism by absorbing the trade union movement. It still preserved the framework of capitalism.

[RogerOnTheRight]

@Schniddo

Classical liberalism is much closer to what the Tea Party movement represents than any of our established parties represent. The objective of the Tea Party movement is to bring back a respect for the Constitution, and they target Republicans more then Democrats only because the Democrats are hopelessly dominated by hard leftists and openly socialist ideologues.

[RogerOnTheRight]

@Schniddo

Obama's view of the constitution is it is a needless obstruction to governmental goals. And, from policies he has implemented, he clearly has no personal love for the document. It is a convenient tool when it suits him, and a thing to be ignored when it does not.

There is a huge and fundamental difference between the two parties in the U S today, now that some actual conservatives have been elected. You will see this in time.

[RogerOnTheRight]

@Schniddo Fascism is indeed a form of socialism. It differs from communism only in implementation details. Instead of killing the business owners, you co-opt them. Do you imagine I G Farben was Hitlers boss? Not hardly, they did his bidding.

Fascism was labeled "right wing" by Stalin, since it represented a non-international departure from his orthodoxy.

What you describe as classically liberal is nothing what Obama is about. He perceives our constitution as a document of "negative rights".

[Schniddo]

@Okie7171 "the Term "Weapons of Mass Destruction" was Invented by Bill Democrat!"

Big wow. As if it wasn't common knowledge that he was a warmonger too.

[Schniddo]

@RogerOnTheRight ... not to mention the social cost. However, Labour were ready to do similar restructuring, the only difference being that they would have a modest stimulus plan to keep the economy chugging along while making cuts slower. Ultimately, both parties are part of a neoliberal consensus. Politics in the US is even narrower and yet people call Obama a socialist! Incredible.

[Schniddo]

@RogerOnTheRight Obama isn't even a social democrat. He's a 'liberal' in the classical sense and I imagine that you are as well (please correct me if I am wrong). I live in the UK where our Conservative government is pursuing deep austerity measures. The Labour government as the 'left' alternative is positioning itself against them saying that the cuts will stunt what little growth there is, that the bond markets will lose confidence (as is the case currently in Ireland)...