Bob Kauflin: Why Christians Sing
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why the blood stain on paper at the end?
StubberRubber 4 weeks ago
@goliathbane86 I ask the question in an attempt to stop the apocalyptic beliefs of those who care nothing for this (only) life, and who seek to ruin what we have for their fanatic beliefs. They are supported by those who (perhaps like you) give naive support to their mission. They need financial and intellectual support for it.
Religion is immoral, and controlling, and ultimately lethal. you might be a nice guy, but you're supporting evil people.
You CAN get out.
Peace.
StrumstickJoe 8 months ago
@goliathbane86 "people far more intelligent than you or i who know god.. " knowing god means accepting a ghostly presence. I don't. Yours and their personal experience is delusion - tell me you believe in miracles. People far more intelligent than you or I don't.
Is there a difference between your set of stories and mohamed's? Or Santa? No, they are all unnecessary fantasy. Lack of evidence - that's what you have, and in many years of asking, I have been provided with none.
StrumstickJoe 8 months ago
@StrumstickJoe ..the reality and testimony of jesus, the presence of moral absolutes and my subsequent personal experience of god. id be willing to bet you take larger leaps of faith that i do in trying to explain these all. there are people far more intelligent than you or i who know god..
goliathbane86 8 months ago
@StrumstickJoe its clear you already believe theism is a belief widely held that needs dismantling. my point was that because so many people believe theism, your worldview requires more reasons than the statement 'im right' (which anyone can say) - ridicule makes for greater fanaticism! and as ive already said, theres plenty of evidence.. maybe you only pick atheistic evidence to look at tho. consider the beginning of the universe, its fine-tuned original conditions..
goliathbane86 8 months ago
@goliathbane86 1) “respectful composure” - composure, yes, respect, as explained, no.
Theism is a belief widely held that needs dismantling.
“Thoughtful reasons” are the lack of evidence that you fail to see, and the trail of blood that leads from the Iron Age to the religions of the present day.
“I’m right, you’re wrong” describes the religions SO perfectly. I’m overjoyed you brought it up! You seem intelligent; I really can’t believe you believe.
StrumstickJoe 8 months ago
@goliathbane86 2) If the world would follow the idealised JC myth (rather than the grotesque myth in the NT) of poverty and equality – then… that would be something! It would still be weird and child-like, but something. I do actually wish that the constant pointing-out of the utter lack of proof (Hitchens and ZOMGitsCriss are SO much better than I) will bring about the crumbling of the rotten church and especially of these smug, rich US preachers. Look at atheist umbrella on YT.
StrumstickJoe 8 months ago
@StrumstickJoe and unlike the TF i would say theres much evidence of god which ive mentioned topically already. its a careless overstatement to say christianity leads to war, rather the lust for power does, which plagues the 'religious' and atheist alike. at the heart of christianity, though, is a profound awareness of no one being 'better' than another. leading to just the opposite of what you describe. if a person were to adhere more truly to christianity, you would not find such fanaticism
goliathbane86 8 months ago
@StrumstickJoe i see the difficulty to keep respectful composure when discussing frivolous topics with fanatics.. but ive not insulted or attacked or been fanatical. the TF is not a belief widely held that needs dismantling, but theism is widely held and should at least require thoughtful reasons for its 'error' not simple ridicule. if anything, ridicule causes greater fanaticism! an entire school of thought wont change for 'im right youre wrong, just accept it you idot.' it deserves more
goliathbane86 8 months ago
@goliathbane86 1) If you were having a conversation with an adult who was insisting that the tooth fairy was real; I’m sure you would find it hard not to ridicule the idea. I have no interest in personal insult. If you found that, then you are sensitive to the weakness of your beliefs. So, I ridicule; and on the subject of respect, I will tell you that I have no respect at all for religion because it poisons the world. Let me tell you…
StrumstickJoe 8 months ago