Rocky Marciano vs. Jersey Joe Walcott I - Part IV

September 23rd, 1952 - World Heavyweight Title

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• Joe
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[elvislvr111]

A great showing of class and technique by both fighters. Thanks for putting this up for people to enjoy!

[TA152H01]

@truebeliever786 Watch Holmes/Norton. If you think he fought well, it's a waste of time even talking to you. He got dominated until Holmes got tired, and even then couldn't win. And Holmes didn't have a hook.

Age doesn't always indicate prime. Look at Hopkins. Ali looked very slow, and had bad balance in Norton 3. Compared that to Norton 2.

Ali was 212 his first fight with Norton. He was overweight in Norton 3, and didn't move well. Watch both fights. HUGE difference.

[truebeliever786]

@TA152H01

Ali wasn't fat in that fight, he was in decent shape and yes he was past his prime, but Norton wasn't all too young either. He was only 3 years younger than Ali. He gave Ali hell and the fight was pretty much even, till Norton gave Ali that flurry at the end of Round 15.

And Norton fought a prime Larry and he fought really well against him, nearly beat him. The whole fight they went at each other.

Quarry and Norton were the same age man, so no claim there...

[TA152H01]

@truebeliever786 I scored fight 3 8-7 Ali, so I don't agree that Norton beat an way past his prime, fat, fighter who had no idea how to fight Norton, but still managed to beat him.

Holmes beat the ever loving crap out of him the whole fight. After a close round 1, Norton got completely outclassed by a guy that didn't have the best tools to beat him (left hook).

Quarry had two weeks, and wasn't even close to a great fighter, especially past his prime.

[truebeliever786]

@TA152H01

Norton was a great fighter. He lost to an out of shape Ali, but in Fight 3, Ali wasn't out of shape and he beat him then, even though the decision was given to Ali wrongly.

And he nearly beat Holmes. Holmes didn't dominate. Holmes was tired and exhausted bad after the fight.

There's no excuse for Quarry. He lost. That's it. And Quarry was a pretty good fighter as well.

Foreman and Shavers were both heavy punchers and those were Norton's weakness and against Cooney he was 36 years.

[TA152H01]

@truebeliever786 It's kind of funny when people talk this nonsense. It means they aren't thinking for themselves, because if they do, Norton falls below even very good.

He beat an out of shape Ali. Who else? Quarry? Quarry had no defense, and only had two weeks to prepare for the fight.

He got beaten soundly by Holmes. Watch the fight. He lost to Young. He got ass-raped by Foreman, Cooney, and Shavers. He only beat one great fighter, but lost to many lesser fighters.

[truebeliever786]

@TA152H01

Unbelievable. You disrespect Kenny Norton???

He nearly beat Larry Holmes. He gave him hell. He beat Jerry Quarry in 5 rounds, who was pretty damn good (Quarry knocked Shavers out First Round).

Against punchers like Cooney, Foreman and Shavers he wasn't good at all, but he gave boxers like Larry Holmes and Ali hell, in the words of Earnie Shavers. Plus he was 36 years old against Cooney. He's a great fighter, definitely a great fighter, a legend.

[TA152H01]

Holmes won almost every early round. I didn't think the fight was close, but judges always prefer the well known guy. He out boxed him and out punched him. Norton only got close when Holmes got tired.

Young beat him soundly too, and got a bad decision. Norton had no answer for the left hook. Ever.

Cooney, Foreman, Shavers, etc... Anyone halfway decent beat this scrub. That's not a great fighter. He only ever beat Ali. Which other great did he?

[TA152H01]

@truebeliever786 I guess you don't know what being a one-handed fighter means. Frazier is well known being one. It doesn't mean he NEVER uses it, it means it's not terribly effective. Marciano could knock a man out with both hands, Frazier couldn't knock a woman out with his right. He is the most used example of a one-handed fighter.

Frazier only ever beat Ali, a fight I think he lost. After that, he beat only marginal fighters. Bonavena decked him. Quarry gave him Hell. Foreman?

[truebeliever786]

@TA152H01

Yes, I've heard him say that, but in the 'Facing Ali' documentary Ali is quoted to have said: 'Next to Frazier, that's the hardest I've every been hit', that's a fact.

Frazier fought two handed. Look at Rounds 6, 7 and 8 of Superfight 1 and analyse, before talking shit.

Marciano was better, I agree, but Frazier was a freaking great fighter, a legend.

Holmes didn't dominate Norton. He won a narrow split decision with great difficulty. Look at the fight, before talking.