@owencbar I despise people such as yourself because you need permission to have an opinion, you need someone to tell you what you are looking at before you can see it. If you really think that some ladybird book of psycho anylasis is somewhere aproaching an argument then you are fucked, no plane hit the pentagon FACT, JFK was shot from the front FACT, you couldn't debate me for five minutes on FACT thats why you went straight into an Ad Hominem argument, it is inane and embarrassing for us both
@owencbar Chumpsky disgraced himself forever by refusing to discuss 9/11 and claiming that it "didn't matter" if it was an inside job or not. What kind of cowardly, lazy, greedy worm suddenly decides not to discuss something it is his job to discuss and then pretend it doesn;t matter so he can sell his books without talking nonsense
@owencbar You are what I thought you were and you have typed what I thought you would type, no author of any knowledge would dare to use the rediculous simplistic buzz phrase conspiracy theory with the sort of ignorant abandon that you have just displayed. Was the NOTW scandal a theory? I could name 110s, maybe you should read Orwell. You want people to qualify their right to argue before they can. The Argument is the argument, thats logic 101 for people who are not fucking cowards
@keflar5 Look into what constitutes a conspiracy theory, how it pervades emotion rather than fact and constantly creates assumptions. Many great authors have wrote about this. I think you should say what your qualifications are to comment on such a thing, you could be a rocket scientist, a taxi driver or a soldier and are in now way academically conditioned to rationalize such a concept. Proper knowledge requires training and time, not time spent on the internet.
@keflar5 your own evaluation. I've seen reams of primary sources, much more than word of mouth from witness of holocaust denial-esque episodes, explaining again and again the facts of figures of the largest extermination of a ethnic race. Unfortunately keflar5 I'm going to be rude with you as you were with me, there should be such a thing as academic elitism for holocaust deniers, people who waste their time on these low a conspiracy theory should not be listened to.
@keflar5 Now you, in a sense, shot yourself in the foot by saying "All your talk of evidence only makes my case stronger", how else can a historian make a qualified judgement without evidence? Fact and the process of checking sources is paramount to any historian, if you claim you have little evidence then why support this school of thought. Reading a book by Iain Kershaw today about the Holocaust he described Holocaust Denial as pseudo-history. Try looking into primary source documents and make
@keflar5 I meant no offensive, I was merely providing perspective of where my view comes from. I agree with your point on academic superiority, some ideas are sidelined because they do not conform, yes you are absolutely right in this regard. I am a firm Chomskyite and a believer in the fact of US Imperialism which can be backed up by irrefutable empirical evidence however academics and the US don't like this idea so it is given no press or intelligent attention.
@owencbar The most important thing is that is illeagal to research something which badly needs it. All your talk of evidence only makes my case stronger, the tiny evidence that is shown only goes to show why it is impossible for anyone to speak out. Something so intellectually offensive must be backed up with heavy hands and your flowery language is severely lacking in any meat. You are just another Milgram moron going for 240 volts
@owencbar I have a two word question for people I know who have a serious mental illness, If you can answer it then I admit defeat OK?
PENTAGON WINGS
keflar5 4 days ago
@owencbar I despise people such as yourself because you need permission to have an opinion, you need someone to tell you what you are looking at before you can see it. If you really think that some ladybird book of psycho anylasis is somewhere aproaching an argument then you are fucked, no plane hit the pentagon FACT, JFK was shot from the front FACT, you couldn't debate me for five minutes on FACT thats why you went straight into an Ad Hominem argument, it is inane and embarrassing for us both
keflar5 4 days ago
@owencbar Chumpsky disgraced himself forever by refusing to discuss 9/11 and claiming that it "didn't matter" if it was an inside job or not. What kind of cowardly, lazy, greedy worm suddenly decides not to discuss something it is his job to discuss and then pretend it doesn;t matter so he can sell his books without talking nonsense
keflar5 4 days ago
@owencbar You are what I thought you were and you have typed what I thought you would type, no author of any knowledge would dare to use the rediculous simplistic buzz phrase conspiracy theory with the sort of ignorant abandon that you have just displayed. Was the NOTW scandal a theory? I could name 110s, maybe you should read Orwell. You want people to qualify their right to argue before they can. The Argument is the argument, thats logic 101 for people who are not fucking cowards
keflar5 4 days ago
@keflar5 Look into what constitutes a conspiracy theory, how it pervades emotion rather than fact and constantly creates assumptions. Many great authors have wrote about this. I think you should say what your qualifications are to comment on such a thing, you could be a rocket scientist, a taxi driver or a soldier and are in now way academically conditioned to rationalize such a concept. Proper knowledge requires training and time, not time spent on the internet.
owencbar 4 days ago
@keflar5 your own evaluation. I've seen reams of primary sources, much more than word of mouth from witness of holocaust denial-esque episodes, explaining again and again the facts of figures of the largest extermination of a ethnic race. Unfortunately keflar5 I'm going to be rude with you as you were with me, there should be such a thing as academic elitism for holocaust deniers, people who waste their time on these low a conspiracy theory should not be listened to.
owencbar 4 days ago
@keflar5 Now you, in a sense, shot yourself in the foot by saying "All your talk of evidence only makes my case stronger", how else can a historian make a qualified judgement without evidence? Fact and the process of checking sources is paramount to any historian, if you claim you have little evidence then why support this school of thought. Reading a book by Iain Kershaw today about the Holocaust he described Holocaust Denial as pseudo-history. Try looking into primary source documents and make
owencbar 4 days ago
@keflar5 I meant no offensive, I was merely providing perspective of where my view comes from. I agree with your point on academic superiority, some ideas are sidelined because they do not conform, yes you are absolutely right in this regard. I am a firm Chomskyite and a believer in the fact of US Imperialism which can be backed up by irrefutable empirical evidence however academics and the US don't like this idea so it is given no press or intelligent attention.
owencbar 4 days ago
@How about we argue the issue instead of what Uni you went to or how many other people can avoid facts by pretending they don't exist.
keflar5 4 days ago
@owencbar The most important thing is that is illeagal to research something which badly needs it. All your talk of evidence only makes my case stronger, the tiny evidence that is shown only goes to show why it is impossible for anyone to speak out. Something so intellectually offensive must be backed up with heavy hands and your flowery language is severely lacking in any meat. You are just another Milgram moron going for 240 volts
keflar5 4 days ago