@Creationsofmyown But I don't see where he didn't learn Kukishin ryu, just where he added. Kind of what happened to my own art that I am in. Passed the lineage...but added more onto it.
my point is, that why would takamatsu tell tanemura and hatsumi that he knew kukishin ryu ninpo,
takamatsu also LEFT the kukishin ryu after they refused him a branch,
i can take some embarassing quotes from the kwoon interview with zoughari if you would like?
the ones that say the entire collection is written by takamatsu... or that they don't have documents... or that hatsumi isn't sure if its historical.... ( i LOVE that one personally) he must have no proof.
branch for various reasons. One of the main reasons was that Kodokan was prevailing nationwide and Chōsui admitted that it was difficult to compete with them using the old kobudō system, which was the case with Kukishin-ryū. Chōsui said that he added karate tōdejutsu (now known as karate) to Kukishin-ryū jūjutsu. Chōsui was thinking of calling it Hontai Kukishin-ryū Chōsui-ha and making it very popular to the public. Shōwa 25 May 15 (Circa 1950)
"In a letter from Takamatsu Chōsui to general Kuki Takahara, it is written that Takamatsu proposed to formulate a new school and called his branch Hontai Kukishin-ryū Chōsui-ha. He was asking permission to start his own branch CONT
0:34 HOW RUDE!
Lillymill 1 month ago
respect master
royaldutch18 1 month ago
LOL kukishin AND kukishinden are TWO different things....
MrKookie79 5 months ago
@BlackShinobiShozoku
"But I don't see where he didn't learn Kukishin ryu,"
nobody said he didn't, EXCEPT that nobody taught him any ninjutsu there, and yet, he told tanemura and hatsumi it was KUKISHIN NINPO.... WHY??"
" just where he added. Kind of what happened to my own art that I am in. Passed the lineage...but added more onto it."
uh, that doesn't make them part of the ryu.
unless it has a SLACK ASSED curriculum....
like say,,, the bujinkan?
why do you think kuki wouldn't buy it?
Creationsofmyown 1 year ago
@Creationsofmyown But I don't see where he didn't learn Kukishin ryu, just where he added. Kind of what happened to my own art that I am in. Passed the lineage...but added more onto it.
BlackShinobiShozoku 1 year ago
@BlackShinobiShozoku
my point is, that why would takamatsu tell tanemura and hatsumi that he knew kukishin ryu ninpo,
takamatsu also LEFT the kukishin ryu after they refused him a branch,
i can take some embarassing quotes from the kwoon interview with zoughari if you would like?
the ones that say the entire collection is written by takamatsu... or that they don't have documents... or that hatsumi isn't sure if its historical.... ( i LOVE that one personally) he must have no proof.
Creationsofmyown 1 year ago
@B continued
branch for various reasons. One of the main reasons was that Kodokan was prevailing nationwide and Chōsui admitted that it was difficult to compete with them using the old kobudō system, which was the case with Kukishin-ryū. Chōsui said that he added karate tōdejutsu (now known as karate) to Kukishin-ryū jūjutsu. Chōsui was thinking of calling it Hontai Kukishin-ryū Chōsui-ha and making it very popular to the public. Shōwa 25 May 15 (Circa 1950)
Creationsofmyown 1 year ago
@Creationsofmyown ok your point?
BlackShinobiShozoku 1 year ago
@BlackShinobiShozoku
my friend Torashin shared this with me:
因みに、澄水が九鬼隆治閣下宛に送った書簡によると、彼は『本体九鬼神流澄水派』を唱えることを申し述べ、隆治にその了解を求めている。
これは、講道館柔道が全国的に普及し、九鬼本来の古道的体術では立ちうち出来かねることを認め、拳当・唐手術(今日の空手道)を加味した九鬼神流柔体術を『九体鬼神道流澄水派』として、世に広める意図によるもの であった。(昭和25・5・15は高松書簡)
his translation.
"In a letter from Takamatsu Chōsui to general Kuki Takahara, it is written that Takamatsu proposed to formulate a new school and called his branch Hontai Kukishin-ryū Chōsui-ha. He was asking permission to start his own branch CONT
Creationsofmyown 1 year ago
@Creationsofmyown
yeah
BlackShinobiShozoku 1 year ago