Chomsky gives advice to Obama

And to all of us

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• chomsky
• obama
• james
• madison
• constitution
• anarchism
• democracy
• capitalism
• government

[thorsmitersaw]

I really do not like how comfortable Chomsky is with democracy.

[mr1001nights]

thats because u identify democracy w/1 algorithm, w/1 voting pattern; namely majority rule e.g. 51% overriding 49%. What he means is people having a say over decisions in proportion to how much theyre affected by those decisions. This can be 51% over 49% but it can also be 1% having more say than 99%, 25% more than 75% etc. Unless people democratically control their productive lives they wont control their own destinies and thus will remain wage slaves to the state or to capitalists or to both

[thorsmitersaw]

I fail to see how such a principle of RULE, as you defined it here, can even be CALLED democracy. It seems to fly in the face of any historic knowledge I have of what democracy IS or HAS BEEN.

And DAMN your "algorithms", if it is a rights violation of even 1 person I do not give two shits how many people decided upon it or what algorithm under which the decision was made, its unjust.

[mr1001nights]

U shouldn't let elite definitions of democracy affect ur judgement--there r real examples of it, small & large.Those algorithms r the only thing that can protect minority rights. Unless people construct forums in which they strive to have a say over decisions in proportion to how much theyre affected by those decisions, their freedom will be trampled. The only structures that provide for such algorithms in an economy seem to be worker's councils democratically controlling the means of production

[ladydzire]

"Remember democracy isn't just voting it's also participation, discussion and interchange.."

[ohwell121]

"your role as a leader should be to eliminate yourself"

hah! what a great opener, i'm gonna remmeber that

[KrugmanTheKing]

@thorsmitersaw

Because I breathe here, I forever leave a mark of my passage as I prevent you to breathe this same air. It might seem ridicule an example, but it essentially contains the principle: we cannot devise a single system wherein no one is affected. The reason you believe infringements are always unthinkable is because this prevents you from doing anything to those who want you to believe they neither won't do something to you.

Power is sometime legitimate, but it must be proven.

[1tonykirk]

Chomsky is a psyop agent. watch: Hoax of the Bosnian Serb Death Camp - 1/3 on Jared Israels Channel.

Also read: "My Farewell to Israel" by Jack Bernstein, the Mossad killed him for it.

America must rid itself of Electronic Voting Machines. They are equipped with programmable chips that can flip the vote. Proven in California Superior Court and used in the last two POTUS Elections.

Look up Cliff Curtis, the guy who wrote the programs....

[Jaakk0S]

@chinopisces thx troll i really listened to and considered your rich argument

[chinopisces]

@Jaakk0S: You're not very smart.

Every comment that has rebutted against yours is sensible and quite enlightening if you bother to listen and consider them.

And yet you still don't get it. Don't assume to think that you could possibly know what Chomsky thinks. He has forgotten more then you will ever know.

In the words of a troll, do us all a favor and GTFO.

[Jaakk0S]

@owenhunt what on earth are you talking about? C. said or meant nothing related to whatever you said can be guessed to mean. "That is his message"... I believe youre talking about the Christ, not Chomsky.

[owenhunt]

@Jaakk0S He's a linguist; try and realise that the elimination of the self is the deconstruction of your authority. That is his message. He is talking about entering politics with a view to emancipate through hoodwinking the elite your briefly aquaint with, before backstabbing. He is talking about an elite selling the elite down the river.

[Frasssaanarchy]

Representative democracy is just loose aristocracy.

[Jaakk0S]

@nasri1011 Who the f cares about what Chomsky alone says, he's no God and his views are deemed highly controversial within philosophy. He acts like some sort of absolute truth but rather he is just an intellectual authority and enjoys the position.

[nasri1011]

@Jaakk0S

Am sorry i seem to have mistaken you for a sensible person.

the context is a society with a representative democracy.

watch?v=XUBeqR5f8sA

as for naming one person who want democracy in a leaderless society.

oh i don't know how about Chomsky!

you don't know much about anarchism or Chomsky, so lets forget it.

bye bye.

[Jaakk0S]

And furthermore, this category error is why anarchism, apart from Chomsky, is a form of society supported by virtually no historical thinkers. In my opinion, he, like rebelling teenagers in all generations, doesn't take into account what it means when it is said that some people are natural leaders. Leaders exist in all societies from monkeys to advanced human societies, but a person can well disregard that human feature and idealize a society for non-humans.