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[ryanedwardhache]

This scene is a travesty! Olorin of the Miar, vassal of Manwe, in many ways a lesser god of Ea, could never be so easily vanquished by the witch king, a perverted human wraith, even if he possessed some of Sauron's might. The doubt, fear, and despair evident in the film version of Gandalf's character is ridiculous. Gandalf the white is unshakable and steadfast. The Witch king has dominion over the will of man, not over wizards. Gandalf defeated a Balrog of Morgoth even before he became white.

[kevtyan]

Witch king has ADD

[ragingfiip]

@ryanedwardhache Wow. You are one gigantic LOTR nerd.

[spiritwolf40]

@Defidius What I also dont understand is that his staff is broken here but when he leaves the Grey Havens he has his staff again.. how did he regain this staff again? Just wondering ... (referring to the movie and not the book..)

[Defidius]

This scene didn't happen in the book. In the book, the Witch-King came out of the gate when it was broken down, not the armored trolls, you do have this speech here, but before they actually clash, the horns of Rohan sound and the Witch-King turns around. I wonder if Gandalf's staff breaking is Jackson's way of interpretting Gandalf's line in Two Towers that, although he's stronger as the White, Black was still stronger.

[Bagheadman]

@ryanedwardhache Oh, fuck off.

[Countercruel]

@ryanedwardhache You clearly haven't thought that rage through, when gandalf was sent back by Eru, he lost his wooden staff while fighting durins bane. in the process he got a new staff. during the encounter with the witch king, agmar knew of gandalf's staff and somehow knew the activation words for that staff, hence breaking it and leaving gandalf vulnerable for a split minute =D, hope this helps

[spamhonx56]

@bellator11 i don't think the witch king could have killed gandalf if they had confronted in the book, but if he were to try in this scene they'd have no choice but to kill off gandalf simply because he looks so beaten here.

[spamhonx56]

why is it that the witch king is about to kill gandalf, or appears to be, then suddenly 'o noes! humans in the background have done something! i gtg!' and he just skedaddles. not only because it is not in the book, i think its a good thing this was left out.

[brothervalencio]

@ryanedwardhache Hence why this scene was removed from the final cut of the film.

[bellator11]

@ryanedwardhache Oh come on! The WK should've won anyway had they ever actually clashed in the book, as it would've just made the story more exciting. I don't understand why some people prefer the book version over this, PJ's version is a much more modern and brutal one, and he excels at adding a lot of needed extra tension in places where there was none in the books. It shouldn't be a crime to modify one short passage from the book, as long as it's for the better, and in this case it was!