they had to leave there all the properties they had and start the whole life again in totally different place. Because the fact is that Poland lost hudge lands behind our todays eastern border. So i understand you less or more but you should relax a little, because you cant change the history and Breslau will stay polish..
First i dont know how well you know history of poland...but i suggest you to read a bit about it. especially why 1918 is a special date for us and why the war 20 years after was so hard to take...You also say about my grandfathers who actyally had nothing to do with horrible facts you mentioned... In fact before the II war they lived in areas of todays Lithuania..they were forced by russians to move to lower silesia after the war..
You might be right... i didnt say poles was innocent, but i"ll repeat - you started the war, the consequences are unpredictable, this case - loss of the lower silesia. The Germans, or as you prefer "nazists", are responsible of all this mess...you chose Hitler as a leader of country...
This, what you are doing, is like you hit someone and after you are surprised that he hits you back...
@Elberiver11 I'm talking about owners because almost every comment below says "breslau is german, give it back, you stupid poles". Read about history of this city, then say that my quote was a joke...This is pointless trying to proove which nationality was better, and i didnt say anywhere that all germans are bad...i guess you're just angry... I dont know about what crimes of poles are you talking about, maybe show me any text about it? ill read willingly.
@Elberiver11 You should stop blaming the German civilians for the deeds of someobody else.
You Allied warcriminals did worse crimes than the Nazis. Warsaw = 20 000 dead,
Hiroshima and Dresden etc. = over 1 Million dead.
Now you tell me, whose warcrimes are worse. Allies did same things like Nazis, and notice that Poland and Czechs killed over 2 Million Germans, in times of PEACE. Not during war.
At school, Allied occupant -controlled teachers told me, this was "liberation"....
@helllaroundthecorner You know what i dont like about you Poles? You are the same like your Amerrican and British friends, you try to split the world into good and bad:
The Germans are all bad, and the Poles are all "good"....and innocent, right?
I dont think all these women and children, expelled and murdered by your "good" grandfathers, had anything to do with the Festung?. They just wanted to live their lives and hoped the war would be over soon. Just like your Polish women + children did.
@NibiruHasArrived Stimmt leider. Ich betrachte Breslau als deutsche Stadt unter Polnischer Besatzung.
Ich muss aber dazu sagen, die heutigen Polen dort tun mir auch irgendwie leid - denn sie sind ja dort geboren und können nichs für dsa, was ihre Grossväter dort anstellten. Vor allem muss es ja ein beschissenes Gefühl sein,wenn man eines Tages entdeckt dass man in Schule belogen wurde und die Stadt, die man glaubt zu besitzen, einem gar nicht gehört - sondern gestohlen wurde.
When the Germans had Elsass (a region which is FRANCE today, but where people still speak German and they are all called "Müller" and ""Schmidt"), they simply changed owners: Middle ages: German, 18th century: France (stolen by France), 1871; taken back to Germany, 1919 stolen by France again, 1939 taken back by Germany, 1945 stolen by France again.
But the Germans only took it back - they did not expell or kill the whole population, like the Polish terrorists did in 1945.
@helllaroundthecorner So this is your "great argument"? To talk about "owners" - when in truth there is no example in European history where a whole land like e.g. Silesia was completely emptied of humans?
When the Nazis did that, you cried big tears. But when the Poles did the very same thing - only bigger - the world was silent. And Poles and Czechs deny their monstrous crimes.
When the Germans had Danzig, they did not expell or murder the whole population...sorry.
Im Polish and K take Gliwice, Breslau but WE wannt LWOW, GRODNO, MINSK , WILNO!!!!!! EAST LAND who's Ukrainians take :(((
Technickk1 1 month ago
they had to leave there all the properties they had and start the whole life again in totally different place. Because the fact is that Poland lost hudge lands behind our todays eastern border. So i understand you less or more but you should relax a little, because you cant change the history and Breslau will stay polish..
helllaroundthecorner 2 months ago
First i dont know how well you know history of poland...but i suggest you to read a bit about it. especially why 1918 is a special date for us and why the war 20 years after was so hard to take...You also say about my grandfathers who actyally had nothing to do with horrible facts you mentioned... In fact before the II war they lived in areas of todays Lithuania..they were forced by russians to move to lower silesia after the war..
helllaroundthecorner 2 months ago
You might be right... i didnt say poles was innocent, but i"ll repeat - you started the war, the consequences are unpredictable, this case - loss of the lower silesia. The Germans, or as you prefer "nazists", are responsible of all this mess...you chose Hitler as a leader of country...
This, what you are doing, is like you hit someone and after you are surprised that he hits you back...
helllaroundthecorner 2 months ago
@Elberiver11 I'm talking about owners because almost every comment below says "breslau is german, give it back, you stupid poles". Read about history of this city, then say that my quote was a joke...This is pointless trying to proove which nationality was better, and i didnt say anywhere that all germans are bad...i guess you're just angry... I dont know about what crimes of poles are you talking about, maybe show me any text about it? ill read willingly.
helllaroundthecorner 2 months ago
@Elberiver11 You should stop blaming the German civilians for the deeds of someobody else.
You Allied warcriminals did worse crimes than the Nazis. Warsaw = 20 000 dead,
Hiroshima and Dresden etc. = over 1 Million dead.
Now you tell me, whose warcrimes are worse. Allies did same things like Nazis, and notice that Poland and Czechs killed over 2 Million Germans, in times of PEACE. Not during war.
At school, Allied occupant -controlled teachers told me, this was "liberation"....
Elberiver11 2 months ago
@helllaroundthecorner You know what i dont like about you Poles? You are the same like your Amerrican and British friends, you try to split the world into good and bad:
The Germans are all bad, and the Poles are all "good"....and innocent, right?
I dont think all these women and children, expelled and murdered by your "good" grandfathers, had anything to do with the Festung?. They just wanted to live their lives and hoped the war would be over soon. Just like your Polish women + children did.
Elberiver11 2 months ago
@NibiruHasArrived Stimmt leider. Ich betrachte Breslau als deutsche Stadt unter Polnischer Besatzung.
Ich muss aber dazu sagen, die heutigen Polen dort tun mir auch irgendwie leid - denn sie sind ja dort geboren und können nichs für dsa, was ihre Grossväter dort anstellten. Vor allem muss es ja ein beschissenes Gefühl sein,wenn man eines Tages entdeckt dass man in Schule belogen wurde und die Stadt, die man glaubt zu besitzen, einem gar nicht gehört - sondern gestohlen wurde.
Elberiver11 2 months ago
Example ELSASS:
When the Germans had Elsass (a region which is FRANCE today, but where people still speak German and they are all called "Müller" and ""Schmidt"), they simply changed owners: Middle ages: German, 18th century: France (stolen by France), 1871; taken back to Germany, 1919 stolen by France again, 1939 taken back by Germany, 1945 stolen by France again.
But the Germans only took it back - they did not expell or kill the whole population, like the Polish terrorists did in 1945.
Elberiver11 2 months ago
@helllaroundthecorner So this is your "great argument"? To talk about "owners" - when in truth there is no example in European history where a whole land like e.g. Silesia was completely emptied of humans?
When the Nazis did that, you cried big tears. But when the Poles did the very same thing - only bigger - the world was silent. And Poles and Czechs deny their monstrous crimes.
When the Germans had Danzig, they did not expell or murder the whole population...sorry.
Elberiver11 2 months ago