ASOIAF Video Blog IIIb- R+L=J part II

The fourth part of my opinions on A Song of Ice and Fire, the series by George RR Martin. This is the second part of the two-part discussion of the R+L=J theory.

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[jconner78]

just one question/comment/whatever

you stated that Jon would be ahead in the line of succession to Dany, but Dany is daugher of Aerys and Jon is (in theory) the son of Rheagar... Dany would be first in line, no?

[tdrepka2]

No- royal succession passes through eldest son. Any sons of Rhaegar would take priority over any younger brothers or sisters he had. Anyway, with a few exceptions, royal succession is usually biased in favour of males.

For a real example, Prince Charles is heir to the British throne. His two sons (William and Harry) are next in the line of succession- Princes Andrew and Edward and Princess Anne are behind them. Any children William has will then jump ahead of Harry in the line for the throne.

[Maturin34]

Was the order of events (1)Rhagar shuns Cerci L. & marries the Red Scorpion's sister "Ilia";(2)Rhagar allegedly rapes Eddard's sister;(3)Brandon S. executed by A.Taggerian;(4)Battle at the Trident where in (4a)Rhagar killed by Robert,(4b)Ilia killed by the Mountain, (4c)A.T. killed by Jamie L.,(4d)fight w/Kingsguard @ the Tower of Joy?

[tdrepka2]

No.

1. Rhaegar marries Elia of Dorne.

2. Rhaegar abducts Lyanna

3. Rickard and Brandon Stark killed by Aerys

4. Battle of the Trident- Rhaegar dies

5. Tower of Joy incident

6. Sack of King's Landing, murder of Aerys by Jaime, and Elia, Rhaenys and Aegon by Gregor

[outforsushi]

@archquasit If Jon marries Dany, then he become legit king, even if he's a bastard

[archquasit]

For Jon to be a legitimate heir, Rhaegar and Lyanna need to have actually been married, or else he's still just a bastard. A royal bastard, but they're pretty clear on royal bastards having no hereditary rights at all. It hasn't yet been made clear whether they were legitimately married (if they were, we can add whatever septon officiated to the list of people who would know about it).

[archquasit]

Stannis's main motivation (or at least, so he claims) is the natural order of heredity. Stannis doesn't want to be king, he admits he's a worse king than most of the other possibilities, the only reason he's fighting so hard is because it is his duty as the rightful king.

If a legitimate Targaryen heir turns up on his doorstep, I'd give even odds on Stannis just bending the knee right then and there (bearing in mind that the Baratheons are themselves usurpers).

[StreetlightEagle]

It just seems too obvious. I mean, John is shaping up to be the main character and the name of the series is ASOIAF... His song. I also think GRRM left Howland Reed alive at the tower of joy and sent his children with bran to find the 'three eyed crow' for a reason.

[shinerben]

I enjoyed your thoughts on the whole R+L=J. Dany's vision of a blue rose growing from a chink in a wall of ice really only leaves open two possibilities. 1) The vision is wrong. But in that case why go to the trouble of including these visions at all? 2) ?+L=J. No real evidence of Rhaegar's involvement, but if it was someone else the term deus ex machina comes to mind.

[Maturin34]

There is a recent posting on YouTube of a preliminary cast list for the HBO adaptation of A GAME OF THRONES. Is this a legitimate list or does anyone know? HBO website searches do not unearth this series, though I know it was being considered by HBO & may be the reason for Martin's delay in completing Book V. He is supposed to retain significant control over the screenplay & may be putting much of his time into adapting Book I for the HBO mini-series.

[Maturin34]

jilow, You're right it would be too much of a good thing to have Dany hook up with Jon Snow. Perhaps she might make a good wife for Tyrian. I believe Tyrian will flee to Dany as will Aria & perhaps Sanser. Maybe Dany will marry Bran, but I suspect Bran will marry Mira Reed.

[jilow]

I think it was supposed to come out this year sometime, but you know martin, saying he's had trouble writing dany's story and what not.

I do agree Jon is a central character, and could very well be the son of R and L; however, I think it'll be a bit cliche and expected if he hooks up with Dany. Though they are a good match story wise.

I'd prefer more of a twist... Like she is into him, but he rejects her, but she wants him so she works with him or something yadda yadda yadda...

[Maturin34]

Is Book 5 coming out in September 2009 or what? (A DANCE WITH DRAGONS)