Rebuttal to Sami Zaatari's opening argument(Zaatari VS Wood)

This is a response to Sami Zaatari's first argument in the Wood VS Zaatari debate on Muhammad.

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[FreakishlyTrue]

Stop talking and play you fuck face

[KeithTruth]

@TrinityDesist Your Muslim translators say the Injil here is the Gospel of the NT, so disagree with your own scholars not me:

"Those who follow the Messenger, the Prophet who can neither read nor write (i.e. Muhammad SAW) whom they find written with them in the Taurat (Torah) (Deut. xviii, 15) and the Injil (Gospel) (John xiv, 16)"

- Hilali-Khan 7:157

The evidence shows Christians in the 7th century were reading the NT. Show me historical 7th century books other than the NT or be banned

[TrinityDesist]

@Kei The verse says they will find the Prophet in their scriptures. But i can't find anywhere in the verse says the Injeel with them is the same original Injeel (message) given to Jesus p. Now, you have to find me any historical or archaeological proof that your gospels are exact gospel that Jesus preached. Even, you don't have any proof the prove the name of your gospels. Only assumptions.

Ehrman said Jesus was crucified in the book called early CHRISTIAN writings?

Peace!

[KeithTruth]

@TrinityDesist You are not following. It says the Gospel was "WITH THEM" in the 7th century - in 7th century Christians hands. You have no historical or archaeological proof that Christians in the 7th century read anything other than what is in the NT as given to the NT church around the world. Plus the word "injil" comes from the Greek to Syriac to Arabic. The Syrian Christians called the 4 Gospels the "evangil" (singular) of Christ. Now, Ehrman said Christ was crucified, do you agree?

[TrinityDesist]

@KeithTruth Qur'aan 7:157, read in Arabic, (which states "the GOSPEL") and show me where it is says "the 4 GOSPELS" written by unknown people, the exact one given to Jesus p. Or simply admit you lied?

First i ever heard from somebody who says people of Palestinian spoke Greek at time of Jesus p. Probably, prof. Bart Ehrman wasn't know that before he made this statement. :)

[HianJ0]

@TrinityDesist So again u quote complete out of context, i mean if u keep reading u find the explaination, but u just don't wanna do it, u wanna stay blind that's ur choice. Well i give u a good example of what u r doing before i leave this topic: Quran says Jesus is the word of Allah, the bible says "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God"That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world." So The quran accepts that Jesus is GOD!

[KeithTruth]

@TrinityDesist I meant 7:157, now address everything I said. If you use logic you will notice that appealing to an authority who claims "Jesus never spoke Greek" is not proof. It is just an assertion. I already showed you instances in the early records where Jesus spoke to numerous Greek speaking people. Second, in 1st century Palestine under Roman rule you had better known Greek when the Roman soldiers spoke to you. It was a bilingual society. The scholar N.T. Write notes this also.

[TrinityDesist]

@KeithTruth First you need to update your agenda. 5:157 doesn't exist in Qur'aan. I want you to show me anywhere in Qur'aan says that gospel according to unknown people is same as given to prophet Isa a.s. Or just admit you lied.

Firstly, "Jesus never spoke Greek" is a explicit statement which is totally debunk your argument. Secondly, look at the book name that you gave me and tell me this statement is his own or early christian writers? oh yes we Muslim are fool.

Peace!

[KeithTruth]

@TrinityDesist You didn't address 5:157 and 5:68 telling us that the 7th century Injil Christians had in their hands was reliable. Show from the 7th century an injil other than what I have - there's nothing. Prove historically such a text existed, quote it. Appealing to authority (Ehrman) isn't an argument, deal with the fact that Jesus spoke to Greek people in the early records. Ehrman says Jesus was crucified (A Historical Introduction to the Early Christian Writings, p. 197) do you agree?

[TrinityDesist]

@Keith U think, all the Muslims are fool, don't u? I know one Injeel (good news) from my Qur'aan which is given to prophet Isa a.s. What you have is BOOKS written and modified till 16th centuries by unknown people who never met Jesus and in foreign language to Jesus p.

"Jesus never spoke Greek." <- This statement made by prof. Bart Ehrman who is the best seller of bible scholar in his book call "The Orthodox Corruption of Scripture". Why do i have believe u instead of prof. Ehrman?