Judeo-Christian Values

We hear a lot about Judeo-Christian values, much of it is inaccurate. European Jews (and American Jews too) are very civilized people, but because they willingly absorbed European values and made them their own, not because Jewish values civilized Europe.

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[rahotep101]

'Judeo-Christian' is a bogus concept. It's a propaganda term probably coined by parties wishing westerners feel they should automatically identify with Israel. There is virtually noting in the Koran that is not in the Old Testament. Judeo-islamic or Christo-Islamic would be equally valid terms. Islam believes in Jesus as a virgin-born prophet and rejects the idea of a chosen people, two factors that make it more like Christianity than Judaism.

[MartinJWillett]

@rahotep101 Of course it is. The Jews have great values these days, they learnt them in Europe.

[EgoNamahaNemoRex]

@MartinJWillett

This argument is untenable. Jewish Talmudic argumentation, analogy, etc - was incorporated into Common Law legal reasoning.

While I accept the vast majority of Hitchens's arguments - your argument is not an extension of his. You ought to examine more than the Torah and other relics of Judaic insanity and refer to the Haskalah.

As an atheist anti-theists, I have no dog in this fight. However, your argument here is unsupported by evidence; you ought to seriously reconsider it.

[MartinJWillett]

@EgoNamahaNemoRex No, my argument is not an extension of anybody else's, which is why I have not presented it as such.

The idea that Jews invented analogy and arguing is as absurd and fatuous as the idea that they invented a prohibition on stealing.

[EgoNamahaNemoRex]

@MartinJWillett I would, of course, agree that such an assertion is absurd - I never said any such thing.

I said that Talmudic analogy and method of argument made its way into the Common Law.

How you interpreted that as an "idea that Jews invented analogy and arguing" is beyond me.

However, based on what I know about you, the presumption is that this was a good faith misunderstanding. As such, I will simply clarify that no, I did not argue that point.

Thanks for the reply, though.

Cheers.

[MartinJWillett]

@EgoNamahaNemoRex It is an assertion which requires evidence. Lots of evidence. Is arguing using analogy rare? When did it come into western law or was it always there? If it was introduced who introduced it? If it was introduced was it recognized as a new thing? If it was recognized as something new was it recognized as something which was good because it was Jewish? Have you got any evidence for this from people who are neither Jews nor people with a need to suck up to them?

[MartinJWillett]

@mcrd2001 You may be on to something there.

[123backinyerface]

Yeah I wish Geert would just adjust the origins of his values to simply "secular". When any nation gets further away from its past theocratic influence, it does better as a result. In saying that of course there is more a need to put Islam in its place that Judaism or Christianity. We need to tackle the monotheistic trio in the reverse order from which they appeared.

[EgoNamahaNemoRex]

@MartinJWillett further, I do want to also clear up any doubt (if any exists): I quite like your videos and most of your arguments. I'm not trying to be adversarial or rude - I'm simply disagreeing... rather strongly.

Please don't take it the wrong way, as I appreciate the effort you put into your (mostly) well thought out and very compelling arguments.

[MartinJWillett]

@Tomislavv2 None of that is relevant. If you make a further addition which does not address the content of the video I will delete all your tangential comments.

[Tomislavv2]

It was Philo Judaeus, a leader of Alexandrian Jewry who began the synthesis of Hebrew and Greek thought (the latter primarily Platonic, but with some Aristotelian, Pythagorean, and Stoic elements).

The Jewish Bible was the first ever known universal constitution..The spirit of Christian Bible reflects the later stage of Jewish phylosopy with more philantropistic and human elements.When Europe converted itself to Pual's christianity it judaized itself as well.

[Tomislavv2]

.The main point of my argument is that Paul's Christianity as know today is not an european ideology.It is part of Jewish phylosopy which existed centuries before Jeshua. This system of Hebrew metaphysics had no precedent in prior or contemporaneous pagan thought, but it did resonate with certain trends in later Greek thought.