Crash Course: Chapter 5 - Growth vs. Prosperity by Chris Martenson

Chapter 5 (Growth Vs. Prosperity): Contrary to what we've grown used to, growth is not the same thing as prosperity. In fact, growth and prosperity are both dependent on the same thing: surplus. Dr. Martenson explains how we've been conditioned to want, and to take, both growth and prosperity; however, we are approaching the limits of our physical, finite, earth - the amount of surplus is steadily declining.

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[Cettywise]

People already are starving....

[seanmichaelmuller]

Some of that "stuff" is necessary for meeting the basic needs of the "existing". "stuff" like food, water, and access to health care. If we choose an additional family/population member over meeting the needs of the existing family/population members then we choose to reduce the quality life of those people, eventually to the level of starvation and death. Choosing to have one more child QUICKLY becomes the choice to reduce the health & quality of life of our family & children around the world.

[Lockheim]

But isn't a new family member a future investment, since that family member will be able to do work for the family in some time?

[TheRooDog123]

why is growth important? ppl say its important, but y?

[Marcello777]

If people adopt more children than that would really help the population, as long as people dont have children of their own.

[bvssvni]

5.3 billion people depend on 900 million cars to be replaced in 35 years. That's 5 people getting poor every second, 130 times faster than people dying in the holocaust, 2.7 faster than people dying on earth.

[Ztimes22]

awww wheres the point that 'you cant have infinite growth on a finite planet' because eventually you run out of resources and space... even a 1% growth will eventually doom us (because we can't yet live on other planets)

maybe you mention this further into the course... i'll keep watching ;) excellent so far!

[Standuble]

@shawname2 I think growth would generally come under the label of "expansion" in this case, whilst prosperity would come under the label of "enrichment." For example expansion would be to move from a one bedroom apartment into a three bedroom house, whilst enrichment would be to remain living in one bedroom apartment but improve the furnishings and appliances inside so they are a better quality. In the difficult present you have to choose between which path you will take, you can't have both.

[shawname2]

This is unclear. Surplus leads to greater prosperity, measured as either Growth or "Prosperity", which he defines as higher quality goods and services. But greater Prosperity is still Growth. So I believe he is saying that "growth" is population growth, and "prosperity" is more or higher quality goods and services for the people.

[wcfcarolina13]

This makes a powerful point.

[manolodelano]

In the coming years we will have installed a RFID inside of the balls...

[bullsnutsoz]

@Cettywise yes and that is kissingers elites plan. wouldnt hurt that ol goat to go without a few meals himself.

im working on this with my creativity; I believe we can use derision to laff his plan back to the stoneage from whence it come.

signed

the pieman