'there are no gods' (3/3)

Final part of my response to: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeQOzSiOIeg

saizai's channel: http://www.youtube.com/saizai

This three-part series looks at:
1. What I believed when I was a theist
2. Concepts for gods I affirmatively believe do not exist
3. Concepts for god I believe to be unknowable

defences:
4:00 'I Just Know'

4:26 visions, voices and feelings

5:16 miracles

5:55 historical accuracy

7:04 Kalam, transcendental and ontological arguments

9:38 pushing back knowably false into unknowable

12:18 immovable earth

13:55 drinking poison

15:06 'there are no gods'

16:40 personal revelations

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[Snoot501]

Lovely videos. Thanks!

[Auriganus]

I think it is a fallacy to argue that an infinitely old universe cannot have existed because there would not have been enough time for us to get to where we are now. The amount of time in the past only needs to equal the amount of time that has elapsed, and surprisingly enough, it does. How ever old the universe is, that is how much time we have had to get to here.

[damntull]

@Auriganus

Almost. Time is asymmetrical.  It is potentially infinite in the future. You can keep adding years toward infinity, but you will never get to infinity. The same is not true of the past, since time moves forward. The fact remains, if the sequence of past events were actually infinite, we could never have arrived at the present moment.

[Auriganus]

"2. Since we continue adding to the number of past events, the number of past events cannot be infinite. Therefore, the number of past events is finite."

Not true. Imagine a universe that extends to infinity in all directions. It extends to infinity in a 'northerly' direction, say. The fact remains that you can move in a southerly direction by any distance you care to choose. You are adding distance, mile by mile, to an infinite distance.

[damntull]

@SkyeWintrest

I always regret talking to you. I get tired of repeating myself.

[damntull]

@SkyeWintrest

1. It's more complicated than that.

2. Since we continue adding to the number of past events, the number of past events cannot be infinite. Therefore, the number of past events is finite. Therefore, the universe began to exist. And it takes no time for God to begin the creation of the universe.

3. The universe is generally spoken of as all physical reality. Never heard of someone saying God IS the universe. Simpler to say God is ... God.

[SkyeWintrest]

@damntull My point about matter and energy was explained thoroughly. Why do you disagree with it?

Time is a requirement for change, as I explained. Also, there really is no necessity for the past to not be infinite. Otherwise, God could not exist infinitely, or it would be a non-being, existing, but incapable of doing anything due to the lack of time needed for change.

If God caused the universe, God IS the universe at this point then. Nothing else to do it.

"From nothing, nothing comes."