Anarchism & Marxism Part 9

A Panel Discussion on Anarchism And Marxism

Chair: Andrej Grubacic, Sociology, University of San Fancisco

Andrej Grubačić is an anarchist historian who has written prolifically on anarchism and the history of the Balkans. He is a lecturer at the ZMedia Institute and University of San Francisco.

Denis O'Hearn, Sociology, Queens College, Belfast

Denis O'Hearn has been a community activist in Belfast, serving for many years as chair of the West Belfast Economic Forum and on the Board of Governors of the Irish-language primary school Scoil na Fuisoige. He taught at the University of Wisconsin and Queens University in Belfast and was a Fulbright Scholar at University College Dublin in 1991-92. He is now professor of sociology at the University of Binghamton in New York. 
Cindy Milstein, Institute for Anarchist Studies

Cindy Milstein is an anarchist activist and educator who talks at various anarchist and socialist gatherings. She has also been involved with the Institute for Social Ecology, and is currently a board member with the Institute for Anarchist Studies and a co-organizer of the Renewing the Anarchist Tradition conference. Milstein speaks regularly in public, at anarchist conferences and bookfairs as well as radical spaces, including the Finding Our Roots conference, the Unschooling Oppression conference, the Montreal Anarchist Bookfair, the Bay Area Bookfair, the New York Anarchist Book Fair, and Left Forum, among others. Her essays are published in several recent anthologies--Realizing the Impossible: Art against Authority (AK Press, 2007), Globalize Liberation (City Lights, 2004), Confronting Capitalism (Soft Skull, 2004), and Only a Beginning (Arsenal Pulp Press, 2004) as well as on the Free Society Collective Web site. She is also a collective member of the all-volunteer Black Sheep Books in Montpelier, Vermont.

Ziga Vodovnik, University of Ljubljana

Ziga Vodovnik is an Assistant Professor of Political Science at the Faculty of Social Sciences, University of Ljubljana, where his teaching and research is focused on anarchist theory/praxis and social movements in the Americas. His new book Anarchy of Everyday Life Notes on anarchism and its Forgotten Confluences will be released in late 2008.

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[thorsmitersaw]

Marxist class analysis fails. It was developed from previous liberal analysis of class which were much more accurate and which are reflected in a proper Agorist analysis of class

[buddhagem]

I'd bet dollars to doughnuts you've never read Capital much less have an informed critique of Marxism. Whether you want to admit or not, Marx was a genius and his legacy outshines that of anyone that will ever crawl out of the Mises institute or some Ayn Rand think tank. Hell he's probably more relevant today than ever. Kid yourself that he "fails" but try reading him first.

[Irtidad]

Yuck, the first guy to ask a "question" is really annoying and dogmatic.

[TheEsotericDesi]

Is that Rasputin sitting in the background?

[Lord123881]

this is the most valuable clip i have ever seen in youtube.

[thorsmitersaw]

@necronomicjustice

unlike you I am not concerned with appeals to authority so much as the merits of the writing, ideas, or critique. So suck a dick.

[patient0Studios]

@Irtidad I didnt like the way he came off confrontational but he is right in a few ways. I've come to realize in my time studying Marxist and Anarchist literature, with my own opinions being greatly influenced by both that the answer lies with the continuity of the state until such time that more and more functionality can be handled "horizontally" as the speakers would say. It would never really disappear as many seem to think, but it would slowly be stripped of purpose. Not to a collapse tho

[patient0Studios]

@thorsmitersaw It doesnt fail, the only way you could saw that it has shortcomings is with the eventual "withering of the state". You could argue Marx means the State COMPLETELY disappears or that its function as an instrument of class oppression does. I think the latter is more accurate, Marx didn't glamorize the "primitive communism" of the aboriginals and peoples of pre-history like many do today, so theres no reason to assume he would advocate an over-simplification of abstract interactions

[pokeweedpathos]

Mr. Clown maybe does not understand that bringing in Hegel opens up a whole new can of worms--dialectically. For example, the antiquation of Marxism is itself explanable in Hegelian terms.

& Listen to the way he talks about armed struggle! He wouldn't be there even if he WERE there.

Maybe he missed his history lesson on Marxism's [synthetic?] transformation which started in 1956, a transformation which seriously problematized the dialectical approach as both licentious and inhuman...

[TheAssholearchist]

"...the subjective conditions are evaluated objectively so that we can change..."

Isn't that historical materialism? Are dialectical materialism and historical materialism interchangeable terms?

[rocinante316]

as well as the frankfurt school.

[necronomicjustice]

Who is Konkin, and why should we care?

[thorsmitersaw]

and I will bet you have never even read Konkin's critique of Marxism or anyone else's.

Marx is the source of so much political nonsense and economic fallacy that the world would be far better off if he had never lived.