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@WayOfTheBastard
"isn't the argument contingent upon there being objective oughts?"
Do you not believe that there's a correct way to reason?
...Imagine it was discovered through empirical research that people who reasoned circularly had more children & lived happier lives...Would that then make circular reasoning correct reasoning (since it's benefical)?
soultorment27 1 year ago
Great video! And people should realize that God doesn't bridge the gap. Moore's Open Question Argument applies just as well to reduction to theological facts as to physical facts: "God IS...", "We ARE made in the image of God", "therefore we OUGHT...".
GodlessPhilosopher 2 years ago
Maybe I just never got veritas's argument, but isn't it contingent upon there being objective oughts? Wouldn't objective oughts need to be proved for this argument to have any strength? Never seemed like a very good argument to me, but perhaps I am just being foolish.
WayOfTheBastard 2 years ago
Hmmm.....if something is an ought, sure, there is something it is, it is an ought. I don't quite see the difficulty, I guess...
randyhelzerman 2 years ago
I think it depends on what one wants to say with it. Maybe he really just describes a scientific fact. In this case it would be an is, wouldn't it ? Of course it is possible that he does actually want to communicate an ought.
FatGermanBastard 2 years ago
That statement is one way to express or communicate an ought. But that doesn't mean its doesn't communicate an ought :-)
randyhelzerman 2 years ago
Hi Randy, I read your reply to this guy and you said there are no descriptive oughts. But what about this statement:
If you want to comb your hair you ought not use a hammer.
Isn't this statement simply a description of what is the case (using a hammer to comb your hair is not efficient) ?
FatGermanBastard 2 years ago
Excellent video. An even handed and humane approach to the whole business.
SirAxiom 2 years ago
I'm not sure, though, that there's a HUGE problem.
Oughts have survival value, no? That's why we have them. Is there much more to it?
Oughts are positive ("I ought not kill") or negative ("I ought to drive 15mph") feedback loops, more or less? And we have all kinds of feedback loops built into us (hormones, etc.), because the control they exert has been beneficial for survival. Oughts have fundamentally the same origin as, say, the pituitary gland.
naphra2 2 years ago
He's back! He's back!
naphra2 2 years ago