The Still Hard Problem of Consciousness (Re: Consciousness and Quantum Voodoo - Jeffkosmo)

Response to Jeff Kosmo's video - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIcjzfDWKzM
A citing of electromagnetic activity in and around the brain as the source of consciousness does not solve the so-called 'hard problem' any more than the QM theories of people like Hameroff and Penrose.

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[onetruekeeper]

I don't believe physics will ever be able to prove that consciousness arises from matter / brain. Thinking of something can produce a electrical signal in the brain and vice versa but that still doesn't explain how matter can produce a thought.

[socratus1]

Does electron have consciousness ? Molecular biology & molecular evolution Cosmology & cosmic evolution If Universe evolve can electron evolve too ? Does evolution of life begin on electron level ? Origin of life is a result of physical laws that govern Universe Electron takes important part in this work Question Why does the simplest particle - electron have six formulas: E=h*f e = +ah*c e = -ah*c +E=Mc^2 -E=Mc^2 E= ∞ ? Nobody knows Electron is not as simple as we think

[jogayot]

touche. damn it but i can't stop myself from demnstrating in spite of it being sinful. see quote besides my ram dass video.

but it's really ironic of you demanding demostration from me when the whole point of our dialogue is about inherent undemonstrability. qualia are so weird because they can not be measured (second hand demonstrated). and theory of computation or information as encoded by entropy is exactly about it... anyway. adios.

[Drastam]

You are a rude and disrespectfull person to whom I have nothing more to say. Adios.

[jogayot]

minuscule collection of mere disjoint particles forms unity of will being able to ponder intelligently about fate of the whole universe... sheesh, waste of time and space you are.

[jogayot]

into empty syllogism. paltry elementary particle must have attention. what do you think the significance of heisenberg principle is? we can't measure its exact parameters because in order to do it we would have to get at its attention, become it. but it's impossible the same way we can never know if zombie is "aware". and jeffkosmo's explanation misses the point because he's committing exact same mistake you do. mistaking awareness for self-consciousness. the hard problem is how a (cont.)

[jogayot]

wal się. yes, i treat this stuff seriously. what do you think the point of life can be? a wank, a sniff or stuffed face? any brainless ape can do it and eventually rot like the rest of the lot. but to gain a true insight into the mind of god... now, there is hubris worthy of a homo sapiens. just because i'm interested in yoga you think i can't get irritated, am supposed to be nice and fluffy? hah... that's not why i do yoga! and as far as attention goes... that's the stupidest escape (cont.)

[Drastam]

I guess I was right about the irritation too :)

[jogayot]

quack, quack...

[Drastam]

A plastic mechanical (zombie) duck can quack...

The whole zombie argument shows that behavior is not equivalent to consciousness; or that consciousness is not reducible to behavior.

If you carefully observe your own experience at this very moment you will notice that along with behavior you have awareness...unless you are a zombie of course...probably awareness of irritation about what I am saying.

You like yoga? If you want to do some homework on consciousness read Patanjali's Yoga Sutras.