Capitalist "self-ownership" & "being left alone"

A refutation

Category:

News & Politics

Tags:

• capitalism
• anarchism
• self-ownership
• autonomy

[kingaa9818]

The right to life is primary over the right to property. Your "boss" cannot tell you what to do, as you have a choice to leave and find a new job. You views are flawed because you do not realize that the exchange of wages and labor are voluntary. No person is a "slave" because they're selling their labor.

[mr1001nights]

The still gotta work for a boss or starve. That's involuntary. That's coercion. What's the difference between living in 1 dictatorship and being able to choose between a few dictatorships? Read the wikipedia article on wage slavery,

[1andy2]

No. You do not. You don't HAVE to work for ANYONE. But barring theft, charity, inheritance, or socialism, you probably will have to work in some form or fashion.

And if you're counting on socialism, then you're basically relying on the government to take the products of labor of another individual and give them to you.

TANSTAAFL

[mr1001nights]

wage slavery does not refer to the unavoidable subjection of man to nature (having to work to gain one's sustenance), but to the avoidable subjection of man to man (having to work for a boss)

[Svetlozarov]

@mr1001nights Part 2 no workers -> no busyness, but no workers -> no commune is equally true. Almost every anarcho-capitalist is ready to have anarcho-capitalist-communist coexistence, but almost no anarcho-communist is ready for this. Why is this? No, I know it's not because you want total central plannig SO bad. Central planning isn't an end is a means, it the answer to the question "How are you going to replace the supply and demand system?"

[Svetlozarov]

@mr1001nights Nature says "Work or starve.", and the boss gives that message farther to the worker, why would a commune do something else? The commune still has control over the individual. Why can't a busyness and a commune coexist, even not for a short period until the workers figure out where they want to be? If a slave can free him self just by crossing a line wouldn't he do so, so if wage laborers are slaves they will go to the commune in a mater of seconds. To be continued.

[magnumsynderella]

@rnecas great argument. this blew my mind. So by the logic of mr1001nights, if we extend this idea, bosses are the slaves of the customer and the customer is the slavemaster. And in this sense this is why i favor capitalism. the only way a boss can get profit is to serve the consumer.

[Anarchy00094]

@juliaisafilmbuff123 Really opressed by whom? If an employer acts like a d-bag to the employees they leave and he is left with no one to work. At that point his options are quit acting like a douche or shut down his business. For opression someone needs to have an authoritative power over you, your employer does not have that power you are free to leave whenever.

[briankofke]

Ayn Rand is pronaounced " I=yand-Rand". I hate to correct you, but being an Ayn Rand advocate, I have no other choice . I am John Gault. The waste you employ over this type of interpretation steals away from the life you and your family could peruse. I wish you well in your endevours to enlighten yourself, your family, and humanity in the direction you deem fit. Thank you for your post. Signed, Mr. J. Gault.

[juliaisafilmbuff123]

@Anarchy00094 Being able to escape oppression (i.e. get a different boss) does nothing to change the system that causes oppression.

[Ilikenuman]

@canaan1967 thats because hes an anarchist not a marxist.

[Anarchy00094]

This whole video is a strawman fallacy. If you dont like your employer you can find a different employer so the abuse of employees is not likely. Why shouldnt you be able sell you labour to those who wish to purchase it? No one is forcing you to be employed be a bum see if I care just dont ask for handouts.

[rnecas]

@canaan1967 Don't just refer me to some book. There are a few arguments against capitalism that get recycled over and over again. Which one would you like to use? Let's start with an easier question though: Should everyone be forced to practice the same religion? If your answer to that is "yes", then we have no common ground to argue on. But if your answer is "no", then I would argue you logically have to accept free capitalism.

[canaan1967]

@rnecas

Correction: Capitalism's Self-Inflicted Apocalypse by Michael Parenti