Suffering? What about Evil?
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Who's will are you referring to here? God's or man's? Are you referring to fallen man or sanctified man? It wouldn't make much sense for a regenerated man to choose hell over heaven even if he could.
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There are some that believe we may have some ability post-death to still choose God but I personally don't see that supported by Scripture. Though free will still exists it is my understanding that at an appointed time we are judged for our decisions.
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So will some in heaven end up in hell? If so, will some in hell be able to choose to go to heaven?
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You got it.
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I see. You're using the word failure as a euphemism for "the fall". I have no problem with that, I would just hate to see you tripped up in the future on the semantics.
Free will a tricky debate.
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How do you conclude that there will be no free will in heaven because there is free will on Earth? The angels have free will - some chose obedience, some rebellion.
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I disagree that man wasn't made to love God. I also disagree with the choice of words "set up" to fail - it implies that God was hoping we would.
The Eden account points to the fact that God had intended all along to make us sons and daughters not just friends, and certainly not enemies. If that was His goal then how can you accuse Him of a setup? If anything He carried our success right from the inception of Adam's sin as the remedy for it was given no sooner than it happened.
SpeakaDaEnglish 2 years ago
Not sure if this is for Kevin or me but I will respond anyway. "Set up" is not a choice in words that I would use. However, what I will concede is that God allowed a system by which failure (The Fall) was an option. Had He not, we wouldn't have really had free will. I believe as you do about His love, how we were made, and His motives for this particular system.
TheEdge012 2 years ago
I believe in free will but I also think there is only so far a child can stray before his father comes to get him. God removed the tree of life post-fall, ensuring that the consequences of Adam's choice would not be eternal. i.e., the consequence remained but true failure was never in the plan. If God is the author and finisher of our faith then failure isn't even an option. Of course the adversary can create a sticky argument here can't he? and he will if you let him.. so beware, brother.
SpeakaDaEnglish 2 years ago
Without getting into any Calvinist/Arminian issues...I agree with your statements and appreciate the advice.
TheEdge012 2 years ago