Different Throw-motions

Thank you Coach Slack for allowing us to use your throw-motion as an example -- it's excellent and very smooth.
Nothing scientific about this -- just showing basic throw-motion variations. We need more video from this same angle if anyone wants to contribute. Watch the difference between when the arm motion actually starts in relation to when the target step hits the ground. Quite a difference yet both are effective...

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[darinslack]

No worries...It is simply distinctions and labels applied. I have actually heard it taught various ways, not by you, some at the ear, or putting the ball up behind the head in transition. My ball position is largely due to my wrist position, not the intent of having the ball up or down. When I am dropping, it is lower across the chest through release...I would imagine anything above where you are would be "on the shelf" :-)

[TopGunQBAcademy]

@darinslack Just sent you a message to the e-mail you gave me -- no need to use this forum - I look forward to discussions with you.

[TopGunQBAcademy]

I didn't mean to attribute the phrase "on the shelf" to you, nor did I mean it as a derogatory phrase. I don't even know where exactly the phrase came from, but it appears to me (correct me if I am wrong) that the phrase could be a discription of how you are holding the ball in your video? I have seen your videos and remember being very impressed by your attention to detail.

[darinslack]

@TopGunQBAcademy Sorry to take so long, but I want to lay a fair groundwork: While we may, and do make clear distinctions about prepass, and while that may elevate the positions some, the reasons are different than the norm. Regardless, we work with any expectation. Trying to get a straight answer as to why they want it.? Often we can't get that straight answer...they just do it cause that's how they were told, or how its always been done. Hope this makes some sense - why do you do it?

[darinslack]

Not trying to be cryptic, but when the rationale for doing something is explained beyond just "put the ball here" for reasons of protection. personal preference or tradition. An explanation of how any position will ultimately impact the release...that reasoning generates a response in the player...and they choose what to do about it. on their own. A much more compelling way to achieve lasting results. Unfortunately, some don't have the choice, so we help them with work arounds.

[darinslack]

that will lead the player to do things that will cause people to draw conclusions about what we teach by what they observe on video...such as us being for the ball "on the shelf." We mention no such concept. but what we do explain will encourage an upper chest ball position without really ever having to say, "put the ball here." The key is making a compelling argument for why we do something, let the player or coach observe the results, and they choose to continue it on their own

[darinslack]

Now, I do have suggestions about ways to improve consistency of accuracy with regard to the wrist, etc. and that will affect how the ball locates on the body prepass, but there is no magic to a location in my opinion, it is understanding what a particular location does to the arm itself. Too high is just as influential, as too low...the key is understanding the non-negotiables of external rotation, elevation, alignment, timing, and extension...

[darinslack]

@TopGunQBAcademy The ball will inevitably come up...and where it starts post drop with pocket movement included will impact this, but once the "intent to move" is indicated I believe there are some things that need to be considered - internal rotation (dipping), off side discipline, hip orientation, separation, etc. that all impact the quality of the release. QB Coaches all have their hills they prefer to die on regarding "what they teach," about prepass, this isn't one for me.