More on Misology: Using Reason Against Reason

Jericomovie has argued that I've quotes out of context, and that the figures I named used reason, hence, they cannot hate reason. Judge for yourself.

Jericomovie's response (part 1):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLP_dAqq_fw

Part 2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7uQ_8ky8k0

Category:

Education

Tags:

• St. Paul
• Gospels
• Tertullian
• Martin Luther
• Soren Kierkegaard

[dazdope]

Reason is recycled and thrown away and rebuilt and re-used and stolen and copied. There is no original thought. Theatrics, rhetoric... blahblahblah you use all of those to get people to believe what you believe in every video you make. You force your ideals on others as much as any religious zealot would. A little introspection is what you need. Might help you keep your mouth shut too.

[SisyphusRedeemed]

@dazdope "Reason is recycled...There is no original thought"

Reason and creativity are not the same thing. Beyond that,spouting cliches may serve to demonstrate your point, but it doesn't prove it.

"you use all of those to get people to believe what you believe"

I don't give a damn what people believe. What I care about is WHY they believe it. When they've got a good basis, I'll respect it even if I disagree. When their justification is fallacious or just idiotic, I mock, scorn & deride.

[SisyphusRedeemed]

@dazdope "You force your ideals on others as much as any religious zealot would."

Saying that might make you feel righteous, but it's demonstrably untrue. I, for example, will change my mind when I see a persuasive argument. I also employ rational arguments, rather than appealing to authority, threatening, or just making bald appeals to emotion. Simply because I'm passionate & speak well does not mean I'm a zealot. That word as a specific meaning, and equivocating on it does you no service.

[laserbuddha]

So dprjones and some other kids have a treehouse. And now jericomovie is a bit jealous because he wasn't one of the kids cool who was invited to play.

How the heck did you come from that to misology?

[SisyphusRedeemed]

@laserbuddha I didn't go from that to misology. I went from "Reason is a whore" to... well, actually, that's not right. I didn't go from that to misology, I just read that and said 'that's misology.'

[Xenophile665]

TimeStamp 12min, 4 sec: "The purpose of rational argument is not to convince the closed-minded, but to prevent the closed-minded from closing the minds of others."

Excellent phrase, Sisyphus. Kudos.

[grozde]

2:39 - Here we go again.

OK, IF "America" is "a collection of values and principles", it's the principle that "might makes right"... It's "the land of the free", where people were kept as property well into the 19-th century, and where the indigenous people are kept in concentration camps...

Actually, after all, "AMERICA" is a CONTINENT!!! TWO continents, actually!

[MardasMan]

Jerocomovie has a theistic stance and this makes him fundamentally misunderstand your point, because he doesn't know, that he actually defends misology. It's perfectly a description of what theism can damage in you, and that you don't even know, that it does... What an enlightening debate. It makes the whole point visible.

[Hyardacil]

@dazdope Uh, should anyone change their mind when they think it's not reasonable?

[Hyardacil]

@dazdope Uh, should anyone change their mind when they think it's not reasonable?

[xenorun]

Wow your last metaphor is priceless! ^_^ "Dressing in skin of logic cause it makes him look pretty." hahahah You are my new hero

[ultimategoobah]

@SisyphusRedeemed just curious. why do you respond to people who tell you what you are? i see no reason to humor such clowns. am i wrong?

[jimi3001]

The Buffalo Bill analogy... genius!

[SisyphusRedeemed]

@dinkipooxa It's a problem that was suggested by the existentialists: not all things have a fixed nature, humanity especially. We may be political manifestations, we may be bags of (trillions) of cells, we may be both, we may be neither; it depends on the context, it depends on how we choose to look at ourselves. No single context has priority over all other contexts.