Was the Book of Revelation written in 65AD or 95AD? If written in 95 AD, as Hank Hanegraaff asserts, then it is no longer a prophetic book. Breaking the Apocalypse Code - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4htq7fHId8
My 16 y/o son said it best. A preterist is afraid their Christianity will be destroyed when the prophecy doesn't come true. So it's safer to deny and worst case scenario, they get raptured.
@thomasyocklin In fact I just eluded to the notion that John and in fact all the discip-les believed Jesus return was near to them, they had too. My 2 days comment was a joke however it didn't negate that in God time it wasn't very far away...
@TheDogfight55 You are correct, God is timeless. But that is not the context you used in 2 Pet 8 above. Your context was that a day was "Literally” a 1000 years. Unless I incorrectly interpreted what you said. If so, I apologize. Sound hermeneutics uses Scripture to interpret Scripture. All credible Biblical Scholars agree on this. If you do this then Revelation and Matthew 23, 24 becomes very clear.
@thomasyocklin How is my eschatology wrong? Just because you don't agree with it doesn't make it wrong :). My interpetation of Psalms 90 as in Is. 43 is that God is timeless. Surely you don't suppose I'm NOT using the 65 other books of the Bible?
@TheDogfight55 2 Peter 3:8 is meant to convey the nature of God as different from men. Time and Eternity are two quite different entities, and since God is eternal and man finite, they look at time in different ways. The quote is from Psalm 90:4 where man is pictured as "numbering his days" while God is "from everlasting to everlasting." In eternity there is no time. Your theology is ok; your eschatology is not, lol...Scripture interprets Scripture, the key to Revelation is the other 65 books.
@TheDogfight55 They (Hitchcock and Hanagraaff) are both wrong, that's where much of the problems lie. Preterism was a beginning for me, not an end all. The way I see it everything (including the "thousand years") was fulfilled except the Gog Magog war described in Rev 20 and the Great White Throne Judgment which is coming soon. Did you know we were in the Gog and Magog invasion now?
@thomasyocklin So to God a day is what? And as far as God creating something from nothing..well...he's done it before. We will not agree on theology if we disagree on the date of the writing of Revelation. Agree to disagree!
@TheDogfight55 Scripture always interprets Scripture. The Lord employs symbols in almost every sentence of the revelation. But He did not create them ex nihilo; these symbols are consistent with the Old Testament and Jewish apocalyptic literature. When this is not possible John explains the meaning(Rev 1:20). If a day is 1000 years, then Rev 11:3 = 1,260,000 years. This is bad exegesis.
@thomasyocklin Where is the "scriptual error"? I am joking by saying the 2 days thing but I'm certainly not going to joke about God not being reserved to my interpetation of shortly, etc.......common ground thing isn't bad thing..so I'll get back with you shortly...lol!
My 16 y/o son said it best. A preterist is afraid their Christianity will be destroyed when the prophecy doesn't come true. So it's safer to deny and worst case scenario, they get raptured.
dudsbalboa 2 weeks ago
Maybe Preterism is growing because of too many false flag predictions in my lifetime,
and False Dispensionalist Books like: ''88 Reasons For The Rapture in 1988",
''1980's Countdown To Armageddon, 1980's Decade Of Shock...etc etc.etc.
The Future's uncertain but the End is always near I guess.
truthseeker9261 1 month ago
@thomasyocklin In fact I just eluded to the notion that John and in fact all the discip-les believed Jesus return was near to them, they had too. My 2 days comment was a joke however it didn't negate that in God time it wasn't very far away...
TheDogfight55 1 month ago
@TheDogfight55 You are correct, God is timeless. But that is not the context you used in 2 Pet 8 above. Your context was that a day was "Literally” a 1000 years. Unless I incorrectly interpreted what you said. If so, I apologize. Sound hermeneutics uses Scripture to interpret Scripture. All credible Biblical Scholars agree on this. If you do this then Revelation and Matthew 23, 24 becomes very clear.
thomasyocklin 1 month ago
@thomasyocklin How is my eschatology wrong? Just because you don't agree with it doesn't make it wrong :). My interpetation of Psalms 90 as in Is. 43 is that God is timeless. Surely you don't suppose I'm NOT using the 65 other books of the Bible?
TheDogfight55 2 months ago
@TheDogfight55 2 Peter 3:8 is meant to convey the nature of God as different from men. Time and Eternity are two quite different entities, and since God is eternal and man finite, they look at time in different ways. The quote is from Psalm 90:4 where man is pictured as "numbering his days" while God is "from everlasting to everlasting." In eternity there is no time. Your theology is ok; your eschatology is not, lol...Scripture interprets Scripture, the key to Revelation is the other 65 books.
thomasyocklin 2 months ago
@TheDogfight55 They (Hitchcock and Hanagraaff) are both wrong, that's where much of the problems lie. Preterism was a beginning for me, not an end all. The way I see it everything (including the "thousand years") was fulfilled except the Gog Magog war described in Rev 20 and the Great White Throne Judgment which is coming soon. Did you know we were in the Gog and Magog invasion now?
stevehauk 2 months ago
@thomasyocklin So to God a day is what? And as far as God creating something from nothing..well...he's done it before. We will not agree on theology if we disagree on the date of the writing of Revelation. Agree to disagree!
TheDogfight55 2 months ago
@TheDogfight55 Scripture always interprets Scripture. The Lord employs symbols in almost every sentence of the revelation. But He did not create them ex nihilo; these symbols are consistent with the Old Testament and Jewish apocalyptic literature. When this is not possible John explains the meaning(Rev 1:20). If a day is 1000 years, then Rev 11:3 = 1,260,000 years. This is bad exegesis.
thomasyocklin 2 months ago
@thomasyocklin Where is the "scriptual error"? I am joking by saying the 2 days thing but I'm certainly not going to joke about God not being reserved to my interpetation of shortly, etc.......common ground thing isn't bad thing..so I'll get back with you shortly...lol!
TheDogfight55 2 months ago