Subjective Morality

A discussion on Subjective Morality.
This is ONLY discussing the meaning of subjective morality and it's implications. I am not making the case for or against subjective morality.

Deryk359's video mentioned:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ubzzbg5ePk

Category:

Education

Tags:

• Subjective
• Morality
• god
• morals
• atheism
• atheist
• godless
• universe
• objective
• good
• bad
• evil

[Gilmaris]

I also do not understand how something is an illusion just because it is subjective. An illusion is something which is not real. Beauty is real - in the eye of the beholder. Beauty is also culturally dependent, because in the same way we do morals, beauty is shaped by society's collective imagination of what is or is not beautiful. In the exact same way, morals are shaped by society's collective imagination of what is right or wrong. By what standard do cultures A and B condemn eachother?

[Gilmaris]

In short, even if there IS such a thing as objective morality, OUR morality is nevertheless subjective.

[Gilmaris]

...if there IS such a thing as objective morality, it exists independent of us, and independent of God. There is no reason why God's opinions should count as some sort of objective standard, other than "he can give you great reward if you do" or "he can punish you if you don't". Might is right, in other words. Thought experiment: If God were real, and he supported the Holocaust, would the Holocaust be a good thing? In that case you'd condemn him because you have your OWN morals.

[Gilmaris]

In other words, human morality can only ever be man-made. Even if one denomination of one of all religions out there happen to reflect God's morals, no one can possibly KNOW that they do. The believers of that particular denomination would merely be correct, but no one could possibly know that. All religions believe they are correct with the same force of conviction. All claim to be THE objective truth, but it is entirely subjective to whom you subscribe. Furthermore...

[Gilmaris]

"Given a godless universe"? What does God have to do with subjective or objective morality? Morality doesn't become any more objective just because there's a god around. For one thing, God's morality would still be HIS opinions, and it would only be a matter of personal preference whether you held them as a standard or not. More importantly, though, we do not have access to God's morality, even if God exists. To wit: hundreds of religions, thousands of denominations, with DIFFERENT standards.

[EhsaunOwns]

umad atheists?

[KiddoBeastPro]

@theBartone9119 Why would I go around raping and killing? Are you implying that if it wasn't for the arbitrary code in your head holding you back you'd go around raping and killing. I don't see what this has to do with anything.

[theBartone9119]

@KiddoBeastPro "See how subjective, ridiculous and arrogant human values are"

Well if morals are so silly why aren't you murdering and raping people right now? Exactly...

[KiddoBeastPro]

@theBartone9119 What on Earth are you rambling on about? Why do you keep quoting the Bible? If you were directing those inane "criticisms" of the Bible at me then I must ask, why? I'm an atheist. I don't care what the Bible says. Though, I must say, it makes me laugh that you think anyone who does value the Bible cares if you feel bad for them. They'd probably claim to feel bad for you for not getting you morals from the Bible. See how subjective, ridiculous and arrogant human values are.

[theBartone9119]

@KiddoBeastPro

What does the Bible say about someone who worships other Gods?

"You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord"

Deuteronomy 13:7-12

I guess your morals involve going up to people from other religions with rocks and killing them? The Bible is the most immoral thing I've ever read, anyone who gets their morals from The Bible is someone I feel sorry for.