Thoughts on Honor Killing

If you want to debate what I'm saying here there is something you must do first - read the information on my profile page. I'm tired of people making assumptions about me when they could look at the facts I've listed about myself and save time.

Edit - about an hour after the initial posting - Now that I think about it, this counts against *all* the negative behavior which people attribute to Islam (aside from perhaps hating homosexuals, but that's common in all the Abrahamic faiths).

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[xRobelax]

Fact: it says in the quran that you should kill apostates- surah 4.89 BUT western converts don't exactly convert taking it as a fact now do they? because you had a western, liberal ubringing, you have less strict views. If you were strictly following islam by the quran which says 'KILL APOSTATES' then that's what you would do. BUT you arn't a strict muslim, you say im a muslim etc etc, but you are not a true muslim in the sense of following the quran and defending its words.

[EriNightwind]

It also says you should make 70 excuses for everyone before making judgments. Just because some people are violent doesn't mean an entire group is.

As well, when I made this video I wasn't Muslim. :)

[gorgonzolaaa]

Why do you even bother arguing Muslim behavior when Islam, which is the topic, is very clear?

Bukhari V9B84N57: Narrated 'Ikrima: I would have killed them according to the statement of Allah's Apostle, 'Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.'"

[EriNightwind]

Ahh... you missed it, didn't you. Honor Killing Is Not A Muslim Tenet. It's a cultural problem which occurs in many countries, not just Muslim ones. Violence is also not a cultural tenet - it has very specific requirements and is discouraged. If anything, your supposed quote from Bukhari (which I can't find - citation please) says that the terrorists should be killed.

[gorgonzolaaa]

I did not miss anything. It is only a cultural problem, within Islamic societies, insofar as it is part of Islamic doctrine, and thus Islamic culture itself.

The citation is right there, including volume, book, and Hadith numbers.

Of course all Islamic sects consider each other apostates, which is why this Hadith, and others, are frequently applied to other Muslims as well as ex-Muslims.

[EriNightwind]

Yeah, I followed your 'citation' and found nothing. Which book did you get this from?

Honor Killing is not only practiced in Islamic societies. India, Papua New Guinea, Sri Lanka, Laos, Thailand, Uruguay, not to mention a few others, have had and, in some cases, still have instances of Honor Killings.

Is there quite a bit of division in Islam? Certainly. Of course, Christians and Jews have NEVER had that kind of division - they've been unified from the onset, right?

[EriNightwind]

Hmn, a government takes an isolationist stance and, as a result, their cultural philosophies do not evolve. Yes, this is a problem in Islam. Unlike many Middle Eastern countries, countries where Christians and Jews emigrated to had a different government and more external contact and discourse, thus the religions themselves changed.

[cpadill5]

People that are not familiar with Islam or the culture will only look at the general picture. They will always associate honor killings to Islam...just like associating drive by shootings to Latino gang members and robberies to African/Americans. It won't get any better.

[theholyspirit007]

Erinight

i am very proud of the fact that you stood so firm in what you thought was to be true, no matter what you of religion you follow, it is good to see humane people are still around in this world that support Truth and Honest,Congratulations on your reversion to Islam.God Bless.

[1980arena]

Salam Sister

allah bless you

[titbituk]

yes, thanks very much. yes certainly, its not any part of islam to kill anyone by anymeans unless verdicted by the court. so there is nothing like honor killing in ISLAM. thats just cultural hereitage which has been practised by the middle east muslim community not elsewhere. like south asia. In bangladesh as for example, even we dont know what is that for? we just know that Islam doest support anykind of human killing at all. and thats it.

thanks again sister for clarifying .

[inboxgirl]

nice logic :)

[AyanH08]

MashAllah Sister ... JazakAllah Khair for clearing this up for people who try and twist things around about islam ... its a person as an iindividual that should be blamed not the religion!!!

[amir94521]

it does say that but is says only the goverment can do it

[Glamourlification]

@goron

most of the honor killlings are happening with a father and a daughter. Its not from islam, its from the old arabian tradition that bedoin mixed into our religion. PLUS, in the qur'an it says "DON'T KILL YOUR CHILDREN" also it says "DON'T KILL INNOCENTS" .. i'm a muslim and i know what i'm saying. But all you and the likes of you wanna do is show that islam is bad. If every muslim was a killer u would be dead by now.