The MSS - 13 November 2011 - Part 2 - the bible, incest and donkeys

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[proofandevidence]

Arguement against this is a christian nation- one of the Ten commandments is "thou shalt have no other gods before me", First ammendment of the constitution "freedom of religion". Ball game.

[viicISrotcib]

you need more people watching this.

[TheAmazingMrBruce]

The story about the pig was on QI once, Quite a funny story if you ignore that they (Guy & the Pig) were both killed.

[anbu2]

And that they are 'free' to persecute non-christians...

[Zimbabwe Zinch]

But a lot of Christians interpret Freedom of Religion as Freedom to be Christian.

[boenrobot]

Not to the two individuals involved in the sex, yes. But there would most certainly be harm to the unborn, which is why I would count a consentual protected insest acceptable (though let's face it - in practice, it's never both; consenting parties are reckless with contraception and the contracepting ones are essentially rapists).

[bnzss]

There's no moral difference between a brother and sister having sex and two unrelated individuals having sex. I don't think 'genetic concerns' can constitute harm and wrongness.

[TheSorrowLives]

Good vid on the issue incest I covered it over 3 years ago in my only ever vid.

watch?v=y_RmLqKw-28

[boenrobot]

@start12poop No, for the same reason as with awake animals.

As for eating animals... Until we develop more fully the growing of artificial meat, I'm sticking with natural animal one. At least with the sleeping thing and not having sex with animals, we're minimizing the suffering during the time they're alive (although, yes, we're not eliminating it by virtue of slaughtering them).

Strictly speaking, by vegetarian standards, I'm (currently) an immoral bastard, as is any meat eater.

[boenrobot]

In summary: we don't have reasons to oppose zoopfhilia, necrophilia, pedophilia and incest = bullshit.

zoophilia - That sex is not consensual (=> harm) => wrong.

necrophilia - unless the family of the deceased agrees, you're abusing the corpse, which is considered their property (=> harm) => wrong.

pedophilia - unless it's between informed and consenting parties, there's harm => wrong.

incest - unless it's consensual AND protected (which is never the case), wrong because of genetic concerns.

[JJPHILLYLG]

If theists died and there was an afterlife but no God they could'nt care less. All they want is to live forever. Moral arguments and loving God are just a cover up for what they are really fighting for.

[TheShadowOfMars]

So long as it does no harm, do whatever you want. Just be prepared to pay the neccessary inbred/hybrid child maintenance.