Abiogenesis: Miller-Urey and Orgel

A clip from the groundbreaking "Ascent of Man" documentary from the BBC, which discusses experiments and other theories surrounding abiogenesis, and contains a dramatization of the Miller-Urey experiment, and actual photos/clips from Orgel's experiments.

The experiments:
Miller-Urey
Orgel

Despite the controversy surrounding the results of these experiments, the fact remains that they indeed did produce various amino acids, including adenine, in the case of the Orgel experiments. Also of note is that this series was produced in 1973, and even more compelling information has of course come to light.

New techniques were used recently (2008) on the vials of results of the Miller-Urey experiment, and found that 22 amino acids were created in that experiment, instead of the 5 that Miller was able to isolate. News article here:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/10/081016141411.htm

More information:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller-Urey_experiment
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leslie_Orgel
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenesis
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/abioprob/
http://talkorigins.org/

The Ascent of Man, while dated, is an EXCELLENT documentary, and I highly recommend watching the entire series.

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[qabala]

@TacoBurgher327

I don't know why your post was flagged as spam, but you may be interested to know that I argue with this intellectual midget for entertainment purposes only.

[qabala]

@JungleJargon

I have never claimed that "objects" made me. The fact that you continue this strawman is testament to your intellectual dishonesty.

The fact that life benefits from the existence of hydrogen does not prove that life is it's function.

You have failed to show how life is "directed", let alone that it "functions".

You have also failed to spell out this "word" that you claim is the "direction" of the universes "functions".

None of it is observable nor science

[JungleJargon]

@qabala I have repeatedly corrected you. You do believe objects made or refined what you are and you have not proved anything to the contrary or said what you believe.

Hydrogen powers the electric motors inside of you that makes your existence possible.

You have failed again to show any directed function that does not have a maker.

The preexisting word is what directs all of the directed functions inside of you.

Everything I said is observable. It is all science.

[qabala]

@JungleJargon

I have repeatedly corrected you that I do NOT believe "objects" made or refined me. You are, again, repeating a strawman argument.

What is the "function" of hydrogen?

I have already shown that a mountain has a function without requiring direction. It is an "object". Correct?

What pre-existing word? Where? Prove it!

You are the one adhering to a belief and have yet to even attempt to prove it.

[JungleJargon]

@qabala Your job is to prove what you believe. You have to prove objects made or refined what you are.

The only reason we know the mountain has a Maker is because we know the function of hydrogen in life forms has a Maker. All matter is derived from hydrogen.

Function implies being directed. I did not move any goalpost.

Life forms only exist because of the preexisting word that made them.

[qabala]

@JungleJargon

It is not my job to prove the mountain has a maker. YOU are the one making the positive assertion so the onus is on YOU to prove that the mountain has a maker.

However, you have now moved the goalpost. You said function requires an intelligent agent and I have shown that this is not the case. Now you are changing verbiage.

Now you'll have to show how any biological system has a "visible directive". So please demonstrate the "direction" to any of these functions.

[JungleJargon]

@qabala You never proved the mountain does not have a Maker but that is not the way to know it has a Maker because a mountain has no visible directives that order it to have any function. It is just there because of properties of the earth.

You are confusing function with perceived purpose that you ascribe to the mountain.

It is not about purpose, it is about directed functions, working parts and mechanisms that always have a maker.

You showed nothing because purpose isn't a function.

[qabala]

@JungleJargon

A mountain functions as a natural barrier to wind. Just because something serves a function does not mean it was made. And if, by chance, a volcano should make a mountain does not mean the maker was intelligent. You mach nothing but presumptions and discard testable science.

So you're saying living things are composed of common elements and this somehow makes life unlikely? Do you even know what you're arguing?

As I've shown function is not necessarily directed.

[JungleJargon]

@qabala There is nothing circular about anything I said, it is all in a direct line of cause and effect.

Function always requires a maker and directed function requires a maker more than once. It is a fact of life.

Most common elements in the table of elements are the universally interchangeable working parts inside of you only when directed to function.

All functions are directed, I say say they are directed as a qualifier so people don't try to say natural occurances are directed.