Two Powerful Arguments for God

I present two powerful arguments for God. I also preemptively respond to possible counters, and counters to a previous video where I discuss the same arguments.

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• neotropic9

[dospook]

If each snowflake is unique and there are an infinite amount of them, then , by the tenants of your first argument, any one of them could not exist.(?)

And the second argument would be akin to two snowflakes being identical so the source of snowflakes is looked upon as the premise to justify the chance of the two flakes? And these arguments are to be spoken about logically, rationally, with God? I'll I can really say is hmmmmmm and scratch my head

[neotropic9]

Interesting thought, but the space of possible snowflakes is not infinite, and moreover, there are not infinite snowflakes. If by assumption there are infinite snowflakes, then their existence is not in question, because you have assumed they exist. In the case of the universe, we only have one, but we have an infinite design space. This distinguishes your analogy from my position.

The second argument suggests that if a snowflake's design matches what a creator wanted, it was probably created.

[freethought23]

The suggestion is that since we live in a universe with parameters that allow us to live in it (physical constants), we should not be surprised to be living in it. Without these parameters in place, we would not be able to even question our existence (not to mention that there is a possibility of there being a large number of universes:M-Theory) . We are getting to a point in science where we keep closing in on the "god of the gaps". Occam's Razor seeks to limit error in predictions, god adds it

[neotropic9]

I don't see how all this is relevant to the arguments in the video. The notion of fine-tuned parameters does not play a role in the arguments, nor does an explanatory gap.

[thatsfuckingstupid]

you have obviously taken a few philosophy courses. However, there is one assumption people make when asking these questions that is very presumptuous. You are assuming that our logic gives us the capacity to understand the answer. When you narrow it down to physical forces or god you are leaving out the possibility of the unknown, and possibly, the unknowable.

[theragingnoob]

Amen to that

[paddym27]

This highlights how difficult it is for the human mind to understand concepts like infinity and highly unlikely events.

ergo, the success of the lottery amongst the proles

[paddym27]

1 divided into infinity is not zero. it is an incredibly small number, as difficult to express as infinity is.

It is clear that just because there are an unlimited number of events, it does not make each of them impossible.

[Singlerity]

There is infinite different possible gods and possible ways god(s) to come exists therefore there is no God(?) Just using your logic.

[MrNowYouSeeMe]

The "1/Infinity" argument falls apart as since infinity doesn't technically exist and is only a mathematical value and has no real representation, this argument is based on an impossible ideology so therefore is not valid.

The "Red vs Blue" argument falls apart because you assume that Blue (Intelligent Design" is 100% definite which you cannot as you don't know that for certain intelligent design was true, so this argument is not valid either.

[doorsahi]

thank you. U are apsolutly right but you arguments never toouch anybody who DONT WANT to belive.Faith isnˇt mathematics and you should read Kuran its full of mathematics

[gmrecneps]

God could have created the universe in an infinite number of ways. But he only created it in this one way. Therefore the odds of him creating the universe are 1 over infinity, or zero. Using your logic God could not have created the universe.

As for the marbles, one can guess where they came from, but we don't know where they cam from, do we (what the marbles have to do with your argument is not clear).

Why do you think God could only have made the universe in one way, or nature in many?

[Decibel33]

Yes, but where are the leprechauns?

[algon45]

1 over infinity is small...not zero mathematically speaking. this fact only seems special because we are here to talk about it. If one of those other ways did not occur, then we would not have this problem about bitching for god. I challenge you to find something that is either 100%, is truth, or is unbiased....exactly WOW @ this part "god made the universe exactly as he wanted" why did you pull universe out of your ass? "no mistakes" well ....REALLY? come on man your better than that.

[holzpusher]

take a pencil and paper ... can you handle that? On the left side write 1 over the symbol for infinity. Then put 'equals' and on the right side, 0. Now multiple both sides by infinity. The left side becomes 1 and the right side stays zero, because anything times 0 is 0. Congratulations, you've just proven that 1 equals 0. Have fun with your newly invented form of math. Do you see NOW that 1 divided by infinity is not equal to 0??

[Geasskiller1]

ok just tell me this where did your god come from and dont give me one off your crap answers like that has nothing to do with the argument just because you have no answer to prove that your god or so called "all mighty being" is real. and on a different note i think the world would be better off without religion of any kind because that is what holds humans back from reaching are full potential.