UK Crime Part 1: The Problem

Addressing the UK's violent crime problem. Part 1.

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[Cleric775]

Where's part 2?

[Guncriminal]

@Cleric775 I can't remember. I think it's one of the ones Youtube deleted. I think I likened certain members of law enforcement to nazi stormtroopers, which some people evidently took offence at.

[McDuff73]

Of course there are differing levels of offensive if a person runs at you with a rubber mallet you would be less concerned for your life than you would be should that same person run at you with a huge scythe or a large sword. You get in front of a jury of your peers, they will have different views on the weapons its all about what the reasonable person would do!

And of course depending on what you pick up to defend yourself there will be different issues.

[Guncriminal]

"Of course there are differing levels of offensive"

It's a binary system. Either an object is being used offensively or it isn't. You could murder someone with a pen- then the pen you used would righlty be regarded as an offensive weapon. A sword is not an offensive weapon unless it is being pointed at or swung at someone (or threats issued) without good reason. The only good reason being self-defence.

[McDuff73]

Your case doesnt necessarily mean we should all rush out and do away with our ornaments.

The laws arent open or poorly written they are actually quite definitive to prevent the law being misused by cynical defendants.

Your readin too literally the 'fear' of being attacked is used in part of the defence to mitigate ones actions. Although there is obviously a certain amount of emotional relief in defending oneself form attack.

[Guncriminal]

"The laws arent open or poorly written they are actually quite definitive to prevent the law being misused by cynical defendants."

You haven't got a clue what you're talking about. I have, because I've been on the receiving end of it.

The laws are open-ended, poorly written and devoid of context; it treats those who used an imitation firearm for self-defence as equal to those who used them to rob banks. It is therefore open to abuse and will misused by a cynical prosecution.

[thunderflash82]

Not only did suicides by hanging go up by suicides as a whole went up. These gun laws are retarded!

[VinylProductions]

stop the pointless violence and give back peoples rights!

[MIT1369]

Thousands of offences including gun-smuggling and illegal possession of a firearm - which normally carries a minimum five-year jail sentence - are omitted from the Home Office's headline count, raising questions about the reliability of Government crime data.

[MIT1369]

Last year 5,600 firearms offences were excluded from the official figures. It means that, whereas the Home Office said there were only 9,800 offences in 2007/8, the real total was around 15,400. The latest quarterly figures, due to be released on Thursday, will again exclude a significant number of incidents.

The explanation for the gulf is that the Government figures only include cases where guns are fired, used to "pistol whip" victims, or brandished as a threat.