Marc Surtees 2 - Addendum

Marc Surtees is either extremely foolish or intellectually dishonest.

Also, do the salt level in the oceans and the helium levels in the atmosphere prove the Earth is young? Of course not. I disprove these silly claims without even discussing the science that governs these specific processes.

Helium in the Atmosphere: http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/hovind/howgood-yea.html#proof14

Salt in the Oceans: http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/hovind/howgood-yea2.html#proof24

Minerals in the Oceans: http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/hovind/howgood-yea.html#proof13

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[D3ltaStar]

2:35 - "Helium has a couple of electrons, well, variable, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO HAVE ELECTRONS"!

This man claims to be a scientist?

[JRChadwick]

He is not completely wrong here. A Helium nucleus is still helium even without electrons. It is also called an Alpha particle.

[D3ltaStar]

Really? Is is stable? Surely it can't exist for long in that state as it would be positively charged?

Oh well, every day's a school day! That's why I don't give science lectures or make videos about it...

[JRChadwick]

Yes, the electrons have no effect on the atom's stability. That depends on the particles that make up the nucleus.

[justintempler]

talkorigins has provided explantions for both these claims.

[JRChadwick]

Yep, very good ones. That is why I did not feel it necessary to repeat them.

[mehja1]

Salt in the oceans... did he realize he just made a wonderful pro-evolution argument?

You have constantly rising salt levels in the sea. There are fish in the sea that are adapted to this exact level of salt we have today. Once upon a time there was no/less salt but the same fish.

Therefore: If there is constant change the fish must change accordingly aka adapt aka evolve.

[Juxtaroberto]

(con't) "rewind the clock" and expect to get an accurate age of the ocean. Organisms can take dissolved inorganic materials out of the water, and they also precipitate on the ocean floor (they're known as hydrogenous sediments). And I haven't even started college yet.... booyaka!

[Juxtaroberto]

(cont'd) we know there are places on the ocean floor (the oceanic ridge is a major example) where mantle material is expunged into the ocean, this is more likely to be the source. ALSO, the ocean has not grown saltier since we first began to measure its salinity. Does that mean that God has paused salinity increase to fool us? No. The ocean maintains chemical equilibrium, so that when new "salts" are dissolved in it, others are taken out (look up residence time), so you can't mathematically

[Juxtaroberto]

Another point: if the rivers were responsible for the ocean's salinity, you'd expect ocean water to be more like "concentrated" river water. However, this is not the case. River water is a dilute solution of calcium and bicarbonate ions, while ocean water's principal ions are sodium and chloride. Also, the ocean's magnesium content is lower than you'd expect if river water was the sole contributor. The composition of the upper mantle more closely matches that of the ocean, and the fact that

[okainuz]

we all know that water and gases of deferent sort is as old as the universe even minerals i guess the big owning doh!

[okainuz]

there are properly 1000 of scientist you can show us that is talking gibberish

[Albukhshi]

I used a similar logic to that when dealing with some creatard who claimed that the Earth's plates moved at a super fast rate in the past.

I discovered that, by their logic, the Mayflower story/Christopher Columbus story never happened, as the Atlantic Ocean did not open up until 1774. (yes, this was calculated using THEIR techniques).

in conclusion: young earth creationism is bullshit.

[DonHoraldo]

my favorite example is aluminum. using the same "logic" as he dose to say sodium would only take at most 60 million years also says that there is an upper limit for sodium at less than 200 years. so forget the accounts of your grandparents there was never an 1800's.

[GratedTopping]

An alpha particle is a helium nucleus. When it slows down and regains its two electrons, it becomes a helium molecule.

[ajgrovery]

hehe he called helium a molecule

foolish person

and it doesnt need electrons apparently

helium without electrons = alpha radiation