Al Bernstein and Barry Tompkins on Whitaker-Chavez

Al and Barry give their thoughts on the controversial Whitaker-Chavez fight.

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Sports

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• ESPN
• Pernell
• Whitaker
• Julio
• Cesar
• Chavez
• Boxing
• Robbery

[carbert68]

Pernell Whitaker was, pound for pound, the best boxer of the 1990's. He is an all-time great who has never received his just due.

[naggale]

i had it 117:111 whitaker and agree with bernstein there was no round after round 5 i gave to chavez

[pirata450]

fuck you guys chavez fucked his ass up you just act mad because chavez is the greatest fighter of all times he has the record of being undeafeted

[philw82]

Julio Cesar Chavez got his ass whopped. Plain and simple. People say Whitaker ran but it looked more like he was running his fists into Chavez' face. Bernstein summed it up best, "you CANT give a round to Chavez after round 6" and he's right.

[geez8212]

@TheChoice264 I find it amusing when you say "Ive forgotten more boxing than you'll ever know", considering you don't know me. I don't believe that i've implied I am an authority(as you surely have) I can recite my resume, but don't feel the need to do so. Suffice it to say I've been involved with boxing for a long time. I disagree with much of what you say, but what the hey, you've got some moxy. Regarding Arguello: You win, He and Chavez both quit in fights, but had great careers.

[TheChoice264]

@geez8212 "Arguello wasnt severly beaten in the second pryor fight?". If I'm to assume that Arguello was "severely beaten" then I MUST conclude that Chavez was "severely beaten", the only difference being that Chavez was fighting back and giving as much as he was getting and in doing so,according to the judges and many others, was winning the fight, but severely beaten just the same. He took alot of punishment on that old body. Now, are you telling ME that Arguello couldn't have continued?

[TheChoice264]

@geez8212 Oh and one last thing, my whole life has been boxing. Boxing has been my life. My World was the Fights and the Fights were the World. Does that make me an "authority"?Maybe...maybe not. But I know what I'm talkin about whether you know it or not. I've forgotten more boxing than you'll ever know.Just curious, I've tried to give you an insight...now tell me....what makes you an authority?How is it that you can say that a great kid,a great fighter,a great man,a great champion had no heart

[TheChoice264]

@geez8212 Happy hunting. In between your desperate searchs...take some time off and google "The History of Boxing with Emanuel Stewart. Part 1." It's an interview on eastside boxing. You might say Emanuel Stewart is a "boxing insider", wouldn't you agree? Read it. It's a good piece. He's asked about a couple few fighters. Enjoy.

[TheChoice264]

@geez8212 If you don't take my word for it, and I couldn't blame you since you don't know me or can't feel as though you know me, then try your damnest to find one boxing trainer or FIGHTER from his era or ANY era who thinks that Julio Cesar Chavez was a quitter.....not a warrior....and was overrated. Find me one fighter or one trainer, who believes that. You wont even find a manager,promoter, referee...or even a legitimate lowly sports writer who agrees with you. Or will you? I'm all ears.

[TheChoice264]

@geez8212 ....their minds grasp the concept of a fighter from different contexts. It is said that every mind somehow grasps its personal copy of a concept. It depends their experience.When the context changes the same concepts are understood in a different way. With the knowledge I've gained from boxing and from fighters, nobody can tell me that Chavez is a quitter or that he's not a warrior based on fights in his twilight. It's a bogus argument. Find one boxing insider who shares your view. ONE

[TheChoice264]

@geez8212 (cont.). People grasp the same concept differently. People perceive different sense-data. If a group of people are watching a fight they'll perceive slightly different images of it, depending on where they stand. The differences in perception are accounted for in the differences in their positions. Similarly, people grasp the same concept differently. Ex: A group of people will mostly agree on what a good fighter is but they'll disagree on a small portion of cases. This is because...

[TheChoice264]

@geez8212 ;) The only way I acuire any particular kind of knowledge IS objectively,otherwise it wouldn't be knowledge would it; It'd be intuitive based like that of the animal and not of the man. My statements stand on 30 yrs in the business as a fighter, cut-man, and trainer, and having known many in the business. I aquired this knowledge by observation,EXPERIENCE,classif­ication, and deduction. Even tho you're being a hypocrite, I understand the concept of "fighters with heart dont quit"...cont