Is Baptism Necessary for Salvation? 4/4

The Bible teaches that baptism is not necessary for salvation (Acts 10:43-48; 1 Cor. 1:17). We are justified before God by faith (Rom. 4:5; Eph. 2:8-9). Since God works covenantally, it is important to understand that baptism is a covenant sign just like circumcision in the Old Testament. Circumcision was not necessary for salvation in the Old Testament nor is baptism necessary for salvation today. http://carm.org

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[dartstuff]

You say Baptism is the new Circumcision. If the Jews werent Circumcised, werent they cut off from Gods People?

Also....Jesus used mud to heal eyes. He used 7 times washing in water to heal someone. Why cant he use baptism to connect you to his death,burial, and resurrection to forgive sins?

Your ways are not Gods ways. Faith without works is dead. The washing 7 times, the applying of mud to the blinds eyes are works that needed faith to make it function.

[AOGDC10]

Words, words, words... follow Christ's lead and go get baptized by another Christian. Will God judge you to hell if you don't? Probably not, but know that Satan is the accuser before God. For each one of you that he can make willfully avoid baptism, he claims before God he's won.

[awsummjc]

1Cor 1 the Apostle Paul totally shoots down baptism in regards to completing salvation, totally. Look at the theme of the NT, faith , faith, faith. Also, water is a created thing just like us, this would mean that another created thing would aid in the salvation of another created thing; which makes no sense whatsoever.Salvation has to be available to all anytime/place, some on this earth hardly have enough water to drink, and what about the many deathbed confessions ?(gotta finds some water)

[Sirduke62]

Titus 3:5 cont'ed - It is not for us to argue that God didn't have sufficient warrant to connect water and Jesus blood. If God can die on a cross He can touch us with the blood in water whose purpose must have included this from the very day of creation. We either serve the kind of God who is free to make these kinds of choices and connections or not. 5/5

[Sirduke62]

Titus 3:5 - The idea that water as an element can be compared to the blood of Christ is at least in theory a point well taken. Right up to the point where God has set water apart to play a special role connected to Jesus blood. "Carnal" meaning physical, is both true of water and Jesus blood. Separating things that God has put together is counter productive. 4/5

[Sirduke62]

Acts 22:16 - In addressing this verse you introduce Romans 6 and talk about how this shows the symbolic nature of Baptism. But that doesn't address if there is an efficacious effect too. In Rev 20:6 the "first resurrection" is clearly baptism, where we are raised to walk in newness of life Rom 6. If our participation in the first resurrection is totally symbolic, what faith can we have that our participation in the second resurrection will be real? Symbolism is not disputed, it is efficacy. 3/5

[Sirduke62]

1 Peter 3:21 con'ted -If you ask, is baptism or Christs blood operative in salvation, you are creating a false choice. The bible doesn't pit these as alternatives to each other. The blood of Jesus washes away our sins but God appoints the time for this to occur. Is that time, concurrent with baptism? That reading makes good sense of this passage. 2/5

[Sirduke62]

1 Peter 3:21 - Here u eventually make the right point. Baptism is "an appeal to God, for a good conscience." This "appeal" is another way to say, "call upon the name of the Lord," 4 salvation. That vindicates the words, "Baptism now doth save us." The other points, if granted, don't change our understanding of the foregoing irreducible observations. If you ask is baptism or Christs blood operative n salvation you are creating a false choice. The bible doesn't pit these apposed to each other. 1/5

[firefighter40ish]

wow you contradict yourself ! well your wrong and take scripture out of context . yes baptism is neccessary for salvation . beleive me ive heard better discussions . you are not saved sir and i bet your say a prayer so whers that at

[firefighter40ish]

wow you contradict yourself ! well your wrong and take scripture out of context . yes baptism is neccessary for salvation . beleive me ive heard better discussions .