Lies against Islam? Islamic Deception! - Apostasy

Please notice that I do not claim that apostates should be killed according to the correct understanding of the Hadith and the Koran. I would be glad if Muslims managed to abandon the death penalty for apostasy by interpreting the Koran in a more humane way.
My claims are these:
1. There exists a legal opinion in Islam that postulates capital punishment for leaving that religion. (According to the Encyclopaedia of the Quran it is the dominant legal opinion - see below.)
2. According to Hadith Apostasy was punished with death already by Mohamed's companions and apparently they followed his command.
Thus, Muslims on YouTube may prefer the positions of scholars like Ahmad Kutty or Ali Gomaa and I certainly will not try to convince them otherwise. But if they claim that a capital punishment for Apostasy does not exist in Islam they are absolutely wrong.
The death penalty for apostasy IS part of Islamic reality and was from the first days. To claim otherwise and to call people liars who point this out, is deceiving and most certainly a propagandistic move.

The Hadiths I cite are
Volume 9, Book 84, Number 57 and
Volume 9, Book 84, Number 58
They can be read here:
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/084.sbt.html

The copy of the fatwa on apostasy can be found here:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Rechtsgutachten_betr_Apostasie_im_Isl...
I have to give credit to an Arabic speaking Muslim on YouTube, who confirmed to me that the translation offered on that page is correct.

According to the Encyclopaedia of the Qur'an (Lemma: Apostasy) the Islamic schools of law agree on the death penalty for male Apostates, while two schools (Hanafis and Jafaris) replace it with prison for female apostates.
McAuliffe, Jane Dammen (Ed.) 2001: Encyclopaedia of the Qur'an. Brill: Leiden, Boston, Köln.

Sheikh Ahmad Kutty, who says that treason not leaving Islam is a proper reason to be killed:
http://infad.usim.edu.my/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=articl...

An article on the fine legal distinctions Sheikh Ali Gomaa makes on the question if apostates should be punished:
http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/ali_eteraz/2007/07/islams_organic_liberal...

If you want a glimpse on how the topic is debated among Muslims and Islamic scholars today you can watch a debate from Saudi-Arabian TV here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQJNp75ahY8

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• Islam
• Quran
• Koran
• Hadith
• Apostasy
• death
• penalty
• punishment
• lies
• atheism
• atheist
• Mohammed
• Sunnah

[oriocoookie]

@Vincentaneous the earth being round was a theory put forth by a greek mathematician in egypt .. arabs were in much ocntact with greeks as the trade went through byzantium and hence they knew this ... it ws just luck .. in other koran passages the implication is that the earth is rounbd

[Jeremias1111]

@num126

If you look more deeply into the other six Billion miracles you might find that many of them are not rock solid but as weak as the "sent down iron".

After all: You do not want your religion be propagated by false claims, do you?

[num126]

@Jeremias1111 Hahaha. Oh yeah. Well look. I know that I am not going to disbelieve and that really you are not going to believe. I guess I have realised that I wont achieve anything this way. You can say I have no proof but to me there are more proofs in this world than people on Earth and as long as I know that I don't really think it matters. I am sorry if you were expecting more but I have computer problems and this is just too hard.

[Jeremias1111]

@num126

That is odd: In (1) you agree that the popularity of a conviction does not show that it is true and in (3) you claim that the number of converts to Islam shows its truth.

You spot the contradiction?

[num126]

@Vincentaneous 1) I agree. 2) Communism cannot work, whereas true Islamic law can. 3) I think that is wrong seen as back in 600 ad it was not proof so why did so many convert. The truth is what we are born with.

[Vincentaneous]

@num126 1) Truth is not a popularity contest: There are more Christians than Muslims. So, why don't you believe that Jesus was the son of God and the final prophet? 2) There are no contradictions in the Communist Manifesto, but that fact in itself doesn't make the book true. 3) The proofs of the Quran's divinity relies on a few passages about embryos and mountains and the earth being round and other little things. They are very weak proofs that can be explained away.

[Vincentaneous]

@num126 Homer believed a goddess (one of the Muses) was speaking through him when he composed the Odyssey - he says so in the first sentence of the book. And, the ancient Greeks believed it was true. It was the foundation of their language. People in the future will think of the Quran the same way as the Odyssey: A book that people once believed in but learned later it was a myth. Have you read Confucius? Aristotle? Plato? If not, then how would you know the Quran is superior?

[Jeremias1111]

And by the way: It is not even correct.

This solar system developed from the remnants of an exploded star. This included iron, oxygen, silicium - every element you can find on earth. These elements have not been "sent down" but the earth (as the other plantes and even the sun) formed as an agglomeration in the dust and gas cloud that once had been that star.

But this does not really matter, because you are not able to show that the quran means "sent down" literally anyway.

[Jeremias1111]

@num126

"Think what you want of my evidence"? You have not shown any evidence that the Jews ruled in Egypt at the time of Joseph and I guarantee that you will not be able to. So go ahead - show what you have!

Regarding the iron you do not get it. I ask you to show from the text that "sent down" is meant literally here and not metapgorically as in the case of the prophets the cows and the quran. Is there any indication for that you do you just like to understand it that way?

[num126]

@Jeremias1111 Think what you want of my evidence but as for iron, it was sent down in the sense that it could not have naturally have come about without God (swt.) That is how I see it. You see it could not have been from this solar system.